Missouri CCW Law amended to allow in more common places?

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    Geez........... just when you thought you knew,

    now i am really confused.......

    now i might need an attorney just to tell me whats what...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalfan View Post
    I believe that part means that if someone invades your home, you don't have to run, you can defend yourself, according to what my instructor told us.
    I was stationed in Missouri many years ago, doesn't Missouri have a Castle Doctrine the already stated that you didn't have to retreat in your own home? I thought that was pass many years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalfan View Post
    I believe that part means that if someone invades your home, you don't have to run, you can defend yourself, according to what my instructor told us.
    I was stationed in Missouri many years ago, doesn't Missouri have a Castle Doctrine the already stated that you didn't have to retreat in your own home? I thought that was pass a couple of years ago 2006/7.
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    yes, we have a Castle Doctrine
    A lack of preparation on your part does not and will not constitute an emergency on mine.

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    Castle Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by Guardian View Post
    I was stationed in Missouri many years ago, doesn't Missouri have a Castle Doctrine the already stated that you didn't have to retreat in your own home? I thought that was pass many years ago.
    Yes, Missouri very much has the Castle Doctrine in place. For those who may not know what this means, It essentially extends your private vehicle as your domain, the same as your private dwelling place.

    This in no way however makes it legal for you to as much enter a parking lot where firearms are prohibited, government buildings, airports, schools, etc., except with exceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGP250 View Post
    This in no way however makes it legal for you to as much enter a parking lot where firearms are prohibited, government buildings, airports, schools, etc., except with exceptions.
    You CAN enter all publicly accessible parking lots, regardless of if the place is prohibited. However, if the parking lot is passcard accessible-only, then it's not publicly accessible, and is prohibited.

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    Here in Independence there is a statute that allows property owners to post thier parking lots. Just the same as private business. Supposed to give the police more ammo against the gang bangers. Firearms on posted property. Just means I don't go to the movies at AMC 20 or shop at BestBuy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silo View Post
    You CAN enter all publicly accessible parking lots, regardless of if the place is prohibited. However, if the parking lot is passcard accessible-only, then it's not publicly accessible, and is prohibited.
    You are sadly mis-informed. Where are you getting this information?
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    i believe silo is correct... you can park in the lot...... as one can drop off a student and have a weapon.....

    you cant take it in the building.... period

    571.107 Endorsement does not authorize concealed firearms, where:
    (1) Any Police, Sheriff, or Highway Patrol Office or Station,
    (2) Within twenty-five feet of any Polling Place on any Election Day.
    (3) Any Correctional Facility.
    (4) Any Courthouse or Building used by a Court.
    (5) Any Government Meeting including State Legislature.
    (6) Government Owned Buildings except Public Housing.
    (7) Bars.
    (8) Secured parts of Airports.
    (9) Prohibited by Federal Law;
    (10) All Schools (Including Colleges);
    (11) Child Care Facilities.
    (12) Casino
    (13) Amusement Park.
    (14) Any Church
    (15) Private Property with 11X14 sign with one inch letters.
    (16) Arenas and Stadiums seating over 5,000.
    (17)Publicly accessible Hospitals.

    Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is
    not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises; is applicable to Items 1, 2,
    3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17 above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjkjr View Post
    i believe silo is correct... you can park in the lot...... as one can drop off a student and have a weapon.....

    you cant take it in the building.... period

    571.107 Endorsement does not authorize concealed firearms, where:
    (1) Any Police, Sheriff, or Highway Patrol Office or Station,
    (2) Within twenty-five feet of any Polling Place on any Election Day.
    (3) Any Correctional Facility.
    (4) Any Courthouse or Building used by a Court.
    (5) Any Government Meeting including State Legislature.
    (6) Government Owned Buildings except Public Housing.
    (7) Bars.
    (8) Secured parts of Airports.
    (9) Prohibited by Federal Law;
    (10) All Schools (Including Colleges);
    (11) Child Care Facilities.
    (12) Casino
    (13) Amusement Park.
    (14) Any Church
    (15) Private Property with 11X14 sign with one inch letters.
    (16) Arenas and Stadiums seating over 5,000.
    (17)Publicly accessible Hospitals.

    Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is
    not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises; is applicable to Items 1, 2,
    3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17 above.
    That is published state law. It says nothing about a gate, guard shack or passcode entrance.
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    sig..... my bad......

    i didnt read the whole concept....
    i was thinking building....... yes sig is correct,
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjkjr View Post
    sig..... my bad......

    i didnt read the whole concept....
    i was thinking building....... yes sig is correct,
    Not your problem.

    I'm just trying to help some members here understand that there are places you can carry and paces you cannot. If one chooses to do so they do it at their own risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGP250 View Post
    You are sadly mis-informed. Where are you getting this information?
    A cop (Sergeant/Commander) who is a CCW instructor. He said the Missouri Supreme Court upheld that publicly accessible parking lots (in the vehicle, not walking around the parking lot) is OK, even at schools, etc. The MOSC case was specifically a school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjkjr View Post
    i believe silo is correct... you can park in the lot...... as one can drop off a student and have a weapon.....

    you cant take it in the building.... period

    571.107 Endorsement does not authorize concealed firearms, where:
    (1) Any Police, Sheriff, or Highway Patrol Office or Station,
    (2) Within twenty-five feet of any Polling Place on any Election Day.
    (3) Any Correctional Facility.
    (4) Any Courthouse or Building used by a Court.
    (5) Any Government Meeting including State Legislature.
    (6) Government Owned Buildings except Public Housing.
    (7) Bars.
    (8) Secured parts of Airports.
    (9) Prohibited by Federal Law;
    (10) All Schools (Including Colleges);
    (11) Child Care Facilities.
    (12) Casino
    (13) Amusement Park.
    (14) Any Church
    (15) Private Property with 11X14 sign with one inch letters.
    (16) Arenas and Stadiums seating over 5,000.
    (17)Publicly accessible Hospitals.
    Taken from Section 571-107 Endorsement does not authorize conceale

    Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense. If a second citation for a similar violation occurs within a six-month period, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed two hundred dollars and his or her endorsement to carry concealed firearms shall be suspended for a period of one year. If a third citation for a similar violation is issued within one year of the first citation, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed five hundred dollars and shall have his or her concealed carry endorsement revoked and such person shall not be eligible for a concealed carry endorsement for a period of three years.

    So this tells me that I can carry there, but must comply if asked to leave....

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    Quote Originally Posted by silo View Post
    A cop (Sergeant/Commander) who is a CCW instructor. He said the Missouri Supreme Court upheld that publicly accessible parking lots (in the vehicle, not walking around the parking lot) is OK, even at schools, etc. The MOSC case was specifically a school.
    Please understand the word "public". With or without a gate, there are parking lots you cannot legally carry onto. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
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