Missouri CCW Law amended to allow in more common places?

Missouri CCW Law amended to allow in more common places?

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    Missouri CCW Law amended to allow in more common places?

    Now I was taught that you can't carry in certain places in my CCW course namely the list in the law. I got that.

    I was taught no carry in churches (unless ok'd by the pastor and board) and schools. And this concerned me as I'm a school bus driver and a ministry leader at my church.

    Now I got my CHP back in October and my course in early August and there was nothing about carrying on a bus but about 3 weeks later, there it was, subsection 10 on section 1 of MO 571.030.

    (1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or

    (8) Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any church or place where people have assembled for worship, or into any election precinct on any election day, or into any building owned or occupied by any agency of the federal government, state government, or political subdivision thereof; or

    (10) Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.


    Now I failed to read further until tonight. Section 4 of MO 571.030

    4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.

    Now go read the entire thing here: Section 571-030 Unlawful use of weapons--exceptions--pe

    And tell me what you think, y'all.
    Does it make you legal to carry in the church, polling place, or school with a legal CCW permit? If so, Missouri just became the coolest place to have a CHP
    A lack of preparation on your part does not and will not constitute an emergency on mine.

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    I went and read the whole thing and it sure reads that way. But I just took my CCW last month and the instructor pointed out that we could not carry in schools but that we could carry in our vehicles on school property.

    But the law sure makes it look like you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimtem View Post
    I went and read the whole thing and it sure reads that way. But I just took my CCW last month and the instructor pointed out that we could not carry in schools but that we could carry in our vehicles on school property.

    But the law sure makes it look like you can.
    That's what I was taught.
    Like I said, to me, it seemed as if the law changed sometime from when I took the course to now.
    I'm confused!
    A lack of preparation on your part does not and will not constitute an emergency on mine.

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    Oh wow, I need to look up more about the MO CCW Law.

    Section 563-041 Use of physical force in defense of pro

    Section 563.041 reads like this:
    Use of physical force in defense of property.
    563.041. 1. A person may, subject to the limitations of subsection 2, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes it necessary to prevent what he or she reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission by such person of stealing, property damage or tampering in any degree.

    2. A person may use deadly force under circumstances described in subsection 1 only when such use of deadly force is authorized under other sections of this chapter.

    3. The justification afforded by this section extends to the use of physical restraint as protective force provided that the actor takes all reasonable measures to terminate the restraint as soon as it is reasonable to do so.

    4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.

    Reading that I think it states that we can now use lethal force to protect our property?

    Not that I would ever raise a firearm to keep someone from taking my car. Let them have it. Now if he turned and I thought my or my family's life in danger - different story.
    All this seemed to be added on Aug. 28, 09.
    Last edited by goab; January 3rd, 2010 at 03:10 AM. Reason: Clarification
    A lack of preparation on your part does not and will not constitute an emergency on mine.

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    And what did subsection 1 say in regards to using lethal force rather than simply physical force. The link didn't give that section.

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    I believe that part means that if someone invades your home, you don't have to run, you can defend yourself, according to what my instructor told us.

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    Lesson learned: Stay on top of changes to the law...do not rely on hearsay. In VA we have the VCDL who helps keep gun owners (members) informed of proposed changes to the laws to help us better inform our state representatives on how they should vote.

    Be sure to bookmark your state laws relevant to gun laws...
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    goab, it's not often I'll use one website to reccommend another, but in this case they go hand in hand.

    If you haven't been there already, try: Missouri Concealed Carry Gun Permit and Firearms Information Website
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    Summon digitalexplr. We have a question about the legislative process in Missouri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoMike View Post
    goab, it's not often I'll use one website to reccommend another, but in this case they go hand in hand.

    If you haven't been there already, try: Missouri Concealed Carry Gun Permit and Firearms Information Website
    I've been there and I find it a confusing website and I am a website designer.
    I mean it's not a bad website just hard to navigate.

    I also searched there and found nothing to this end.

    But I will try to look there more often.
    A lack of preparation on your part does not and will not constitute an emergency on mine.

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    Here is a link to a thread on Church Carry from Mo Carry forum dated mid Dec that may help you.

    Missouri Carry Forums

    It is my understanding that you still need premission to carry from Pastor or someone of authority in the Church. But there is a bill up for review this year to maybe change that somewhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goab View Post
    Now I was taught that you can't carry in certain places in my CCW course namely the list in the law. I got that.

    I was taught no carry in churches (unless ok'd by the pastor and board) and schools. And this concerned me as I'm a school bus driver and a ministry leader at my church. That is normally a true statement.
    Now I got my CHP back in October and my course in early August and there was nothing about carrying on a bus but about 3 weeks later, there it was, subsection 10 on section 1 of MO 571.030.
    Missouri does not issue a Permit or CHP. Instead, A Certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement is issued by the sheriff or his designee of the county or city in which the applicant resides, a CCW.
    (1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or

    (8) Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any church or place where people have assembled for worship, or into any election precinct on any election day, or into any building owned or occupied by any agency of the federal government, state government, or political subdivision thereof; or

    (10) Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.


    Now I failed to read further until tonight. Section 4 of MO 571.030

    4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.

    Now go read the entire thing here: Section 571-030 Unlawful use of weapons--exceptions--pe

    And tell me what you think, y'all.
    Does it make you legal to carry in the church, polling place, or school with a legal CCW permit? If so, Missouri just became the coolest place to have a CHP
    Missouri is actually an open carry state except that the law was written to allow each county, city, town or village the right to impose ordnances that effectively amend the state law.

    Title III. Legislative Branch
    Chapter 21. General Assembly
    21.750. Firearms legislation preemption by
    general assembly, exceptions--limitation on
    civil recovery against firearms or
    ammunitions manufacturers, when,
    exception .
    (1) The general assembly hereby occupies
    and preempts the entire field of legislation
    touching in any way firearms, components,
    ammunition and supplies to the complete
    exclusion of any order, ordinance or regulation
    by any political subdivision of this state. Any
    existing or future orders, ordinances or
    regulations in this field are hereby and shall be
    null and void except as provided in subsection 3
    of this section.
    (2) No county, city, town, village, municipality,
    or other political subdivision of this state shall
    adopt any order, ordinance or regulation
    concerning in any way the sale, purchase,
    purchase delay, transfer, ownership, use,
    keeping, possession, bearing, transportation,
    licensing, permit, registration, taxation other than
    sales and compensating use taxes or other
    controls on firearms, components, ammunition,
    and supplies except as provided in subsection 3
    of this section.
    (3) Nothing contained in this section shall
    prohibit any ordinance of any political
    subdivision which conforms exactly with any of
    the provisions of sections 571.010 to 571.070,
    RSMo, with appropriate penalty provisions, or
    which regulates the open carrying of firearms
    readily capable of lethal use or the discharge of
    firearms within a jurisdiction, provided such
    ordinance complies with the provisions of
    section 252.243, RSMo.
    (4) The lawful design, marketing, manufacture,
    distribution, or sale of firearms or ammunition to
    the public is not an abnormally dangerous
    activity and does not constitute a public or
    private nuisance.
    (5) No county, city, town, village or any other
    political subdivision nor the state shall bring suit
    or have any right to recover against any firearms
    or ammunition manufacturer, trade association
    or dealer for damages, abatement or injunctive
    relief resulting from or relating to the lawful
    design, manufacture, marketing, distribution, or
    sale of firearms or ammunition to the public. This
    subsection shall apply to any suit pending as of
    October 12, 2003, as well as any suit which may
    be brought in the future. Provided, however, that
    nothing in this section shall restrict the rights of
    individual citizens to recover for injury or death
    caused by the negligent or defective design or
    manufacture of firearms or ammunition.
    (6) Nothing in this section shall prevent the
    state, a county, city, town, village or any other
    political subdivision from bringing an action
    against a firearms or ammunition manufacturer
    or dealer for breach of contract or warranty as to
    firearms or ammunition purchased by the state
    or such political subdivision.
    Title XXVI. Trade and Commerce
    Chapter 407. Merchandising Practices
    407.500. Missouri residents may purchase
    rifles and shotguns in contiguous states,
    when. Residents of the state of Missouri may
    purchase rifles and shotguns in a state contiguous
    to the state of Missouri, provided that such
    residents conform to the applicable provisions of
    the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968, and regulations
    thereunder, as administered by the United
    States Secretary of the Treasury, and provided
    further that such residents conform to the
    provisions of law applicable to such purchase in
    the state of Missouri and in the contiguous state
    in which the purchase is made.
    407.505. Residents of contiguous states
    may purchase rifles and shotguns in Missouri,
    when. Residents of a state contiguous to
    the state of Missouri may purchase rifles and
    shotguns in the state of Missouri, provided that
    such residents conform to the applicable provisions
    of the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968,
    and regulations thereunder, as administered by
    the United States Secretary of the Treasury, and
    provided further that such residents conform to
    the provisions of law applicable to such purchase.

    Below is from the Missouri State Attorney General Office
    The second is from the City of St. Louis.

    Missouri Revised Statutes
    Chapter 571
    Weapons Offenses
    Section 571.030

    August 28, 2009



    Unlawful use of weapons--exceptions--penalties.
    571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:
    (1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or
    (2) Sets a spring gun; or
    (3) Discharges or shoots a firearm into a dwelling house, a railroad train, boat, aircraft, or motor vehicle as defined in section 302.010, RSMo, or any building or structure used for the assembling of people; or
    (4) Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or
    (5) Possesses or discharges a firearm or projectile weapon while intoxicated; or
    (6) Discharges a firearm within one hundred yards of any occupied schoolhouse, courthouse, or church building; or (7) Discharges or shoots a firearm at a mark, at any object, or at random, on, along or across a public highway or discharges or shoots a firearm into any outbuilding; or
    (8) Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any church or place where people have assembled for worship, or into any election precinct on any election day, or into any building owned or occupied by any agency of the federal government, state government, or political subdivision thereof; or
    (9) Discharges or shoots a firearm at or from a motor vehicle, as defined in section 301.010, RSMo, discharges or shoots a firearm at any person, or at any other motor vehicle, or at any building or habitable structure, unless the person was lawfully acting in self-defense; or
    (10) Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board. 2. Subdivisions (1), (3), (4), (6), (7), (8), (9) and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to or affect any of the following:
    (1) All state, county and municipal peace officers who have completed the training required by the police officer standards and training commission pursuant to sections 590.030 to 590.050, RSMo, and possessing the duty and power of arrest for violation of the general criminal laws of the state or for violation of ordinances of counties or municipalities of the state, whether such officers are on or off duty, and whether such officers are within or outside of the law enforcement agency's jurisdiction, or all qualified retired peace officers, as defined in subsection 10 of this section, and who carry the identification defined in subsection 11 of this section, or any person summoned by such officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while actually engaged in assisting such officer;
    (2) Wardens, superintendents and keepers of prisons, penitentiaries, jails and other institutions for the detention of persons accused or convicted of crime;
    (3) Members of the armed forces or national guard while performing their official duty;
    (4) Those persons vested by article V, section 1 of the Constitution of Missouri with the judicial power of the state and those persons vested by Article III of the Constitution of the United States with the judicial power of the United States, the members of the federal judiciary;
    (5) Any person whose bona fide duty is to execute process, civil or criminal;
    (6) Any federal probation officer or federal flight deck officer as defined under the federal flight deck officer program, 49 U.S.C. Section 44921;
    (7) Any state probation or parole officer, including supervisors and members of the board of probation and parole;
    (8) Any corporate security advisor meeting the definition and fulfilling the requirements of the regulations established by the board of police commissioners under section 84.340, RSMo; and
    (9) Any coroner, deputy coroner, medical examiner, or assistant medical examiner.
    3. Subdivisions (1), (5), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section do not apply when the actor is transporting such weapons in a nonfunctioning state or in an unloaded state when ammunition is not readily accessible or when such weapons are not readily accessible. Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state. adult for the purposes of facilitation of a school-sanctioned firearm-Subdivision (10) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply if the firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed by a person while traversing school premises for the purposes of transporting a student to or from school, or possessed by an related event. 4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state. 5. Subdivisions (3), (4), (5), (6), (7), (8), (9), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to persons who are engaged in a lawful act of defense pursuant to section 563.031, RSMo.
    6. Nothing in this section shall make it unlawful for a student to actually participate in school-sanctioned gun safety courses, student military or ROTC courses, or other school-sponsored firearm-related events, provided the student does not carry a firearm or other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any other function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.
    7. Unlawful use of weapons is a class D felony unless committed pursuant to subdivision (6), (7), or (8) of subsection 1 of this section, in which cases it is a class B misdemeanor, or subdivision (5) or (10) of subsection 1 of this section, in which case it is a class A misdemeanor if the firearm is unloaded and a class D felony if the firearm is loaded, or subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section, in which case it is a class B felony, except that if the violation of subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section results in injury or death to another person, it is a class A felony.
    8. Violations of subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section shall be punished as follows:
    (1) For the first violation a person shall be sentenced to the maximum authorized term of imprisonment for a class B felony;
    (2) For any violation by a prior offender as defined in section 558.016, RSMo, a person shall be sentenced to the maximum authorized term of imprisonment for a class B felony without the possibility of parole, probation or conditional release for a term of ten years;
    (3) For any violation by a persistent offender as defined in section 558.016, RSMo, a person shall be sentenced to the maximum authorized term of imprisonment for a class B felony without the possibility of parole, probation, or conditional release;
    (4) For any violation which results in injury or death to another person, a person shall be sentenced to an authorized disposition for a class A felony.
    9. Any person knowingly aiding or abetting any other person in the violation of subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section shall be subject to the same penalty as that prescribed by this section for violations by other persons.
    10. As used in this section "qualified retired peace officer" means an individual who:
    (1) Retired in good standing from service with a public agency as a peace officer, other than for reasons of mental instability;
    (2) Before such retirement, was authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the incarceration of any person for, any violation of law, and had statutory powers of arrest;
    (3) Before such retirement, was regularly employed as a peace officer for an aggregate of fifteen years or more, or retired from service with such agency, after completing any applicable probationary period of such service, due to a service-connected disability, as determined by such agency;
    (4) Has a nonforfeitable right to benefits under the retirement plan of the agency if such a plan is available;
    (5) During the most recent twelve-month period, has met, at the expense of the individual, the standards for training and qualification for active peace officers to carry firearms;
    (6) Is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance; and
    (7) Is not prohibited by federal law from receiving a firearm.
    11. The identification required by subdivision (1) of subsection 2 of this section is:
    (1) A photographic identification issued by the agency from which the individual retired from service as a peace officer that indicates that the individual has, not less recently than one year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the agency to meet the standards established by the agency for training and qualification for active peace officers to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm; or
    (2) A photographic identification issued by the agency from which the individual retired from service as a peace officer; and
    (3) A certification issued by the state in which the individual resides that indicates that the individual has, not less recently than one year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the state to meet the standards established by the state for training and qualification for active peace officers to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.
    (RSMo 1939 4425, A.L. 1959 H.B. 43, A.L. 1981 H.B. 296, A.L. 1993 H.B. 562 merged with S.B. 250, A.L. 1995 H.B. 160, A.L. 1997 S.B. 367, A.L. 1998 S.B. 478, A.L. 2000 S.B. 944, A.L. 2003 H.B. 349, et al. merged with S.B. 5, A.L. 2007 S.B. 62 & 41)
    Prior revisions: 1929 4031; 1919 3277; 1909 4498
    *Transferred 1978; formerly 562.070
    CROSS REFERENCES:
    Discharging a firearm or weapon at a railroad train or railmounted work equipment while committing a trespass to railroad property, class D felony, RSMo 389.653
    Violation of this section may also be a hate crime, RSMo 557.035


    City of Saint .Louis –Sheriff Department Q&AQ: What are the requirements for a concealed carry endorsement?
    A: According to RSMo 571.101, “A certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement… shall be issued by the sheriff or his or her designee of the county or city in which the applicant resides, if the applicant:
    (1) Is at least twenty-three years of age, is a citizen of the United States and either:
    (a) Has resided in this state for at least six months; or
    (b) Is a member of the armed forces stationed in Missouri , or the spouse of such member of the military;
    (2) Has not pled guilty to or entered a plea of nolo contendere or been convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year under the laws of any state or of the United States other than a crime classified as a misdemeanor under the laws of any state and punishable by a term of imprisonment of one year or less that does not involve an explosive weapon, firearm, firearm silencer or gas gun;
    (3) Has not been convicted of, pled guilty to or entered a plea of nolo contendere to one or more misdemeanor offenses involving crimes of violence within a five-year period immediately preceding application for a certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement or if the applicant has not been convicted of two or more misdemeanor offenses involving driving while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or drugs or the possession or abuse of a controlled substance within a five-year period immediately preceding application for a certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement;
    (4) Is not a fugitive from justice or currently charged in an information or indictment with the commission of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year under the laws of any state of the United States other than a crime classified as a misdemeanor under the laws of any state and punishable by a term of imprisonment of two years or less that does not involve an explosive weapon, firearm, firearm silencer, or gas gun;
    (5) Has not been discharged under dishonorable conditions from the United States armed forces;
    (6) Has not engaged in a pattern of behavior, documented in public records, that causes the sheriff to have a reasonable belief that the applicant presents a danger to himself or others;
    (7) Is not adjudged mentally incompetent at the time of application or for five years prior to application, or has not been committed to a mental health facility, as defined in section 632.005, RSMo, or a similar institution located in another state following a hearing at which the defendant was represented by counsel or a representative;
    (10) Is not the respondent of a valid full order of protection which is still in effect.”

    In addition, the applicant must complete an 8-hour concealed carry safety training course and submit an affidavit attesting to such completion.
    Q: What is the fee for a concealed carry endorsement?
    A: $100.00 for each application. $50 for each renewal. Cash, money order, or check are accepted. Credit cards also accepted (additional fees apply).(RSMo 571.101)
    Q: Where can I complete the required safety training?
    A: Please consult your local phonebook or directory for such information.
    Q: What is taught in the required safety training course?
    A: According to RSMo 571.111, the course must include:
    (1) Handgun safety in the classroom, at home, on the firing range and while carrying the firearm;
    (2) A physical demonstration performed by the applicant that demonstrated his or her ability to safely load and unload a revolver and a semiautomatic pistol and demonstrated his or her marksmanship with both;
    (3) The basic principles of marksmanship;
    (4) Care and cleaning of concealable firearms;
    (5) Safe storage of firearms at home;
    (6) The requirements of this state for obtaining a certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement from the sheriff of the individual's county of residence and a concealed carry endorsement issued by the department of revenue;
    (7) The laws relating to firearms as prescribed in this chapter;
    (8) The laws relating to the justifiable use of force as prescribed in chapter 563, RSMo;
    (9) A live firing exercise of sufficient duration for each applicant to fire a handgun, from a standing position or its equivalent, a minimum of fifty rounds at a distance of seven yards from a B-27 silhouette target or an equivalent target;
    (10) A live fire test administered to the applicant while the instructor was present of twenty rounds from a standing position or its equivalent at a distance from a B-27 silhouette target, or an equivalent target, of seven yards.
    Q: How long after applying will I receive the concealed carry endorsement?
    A: “The sheriff shall issue the certificate within forty-five calendar days.” (RSMo 571.101) You will be notified when your application has been approved.
    Q: What if my application to carry a concealed weapon is denied?
    A: “In any case when the sheriff refuses to issue a certificate of qualification or to act on an application for such certificate, the denied applicant shall have the right to appeal the denial within thirty days of receiving written notice of the denial. Such appeals shall be heard in small claims court as defined in section 482.300, RSMo, and the provisions of sections 482.300, 482.310 and 482.335, RSMo, shall apply to such appeals.
    A denial of or refusal to act on an application for a certificate of qualification may be appealed by filing with the clerk of the small claims court a copy of the sheriff's written refusal and a form substantially similar to the appeal form provided in this." (RSMo 571.114)
    Q: If I pled guilty to a felony and received a suspended imposition of sentence (SIS), do I still qualify for a permit?
    A: No. Felony convictions, including a suspended imposition of sentence, will result in refusal of a permit.
    Q: I have several parking tickets. Will that disqualify me?
    A: No. Parking tickets will not disqualify you, but if a warrant or wanted is issued concerning them, this will cause a delay in the permit being issued.
    Q: If I have a traffic ticket and my license was taken, will that be accepted in lieu of my license?
    A: No. You must either have a Missouri state I.D. or current driver's license in order to apply for a permit.
    Q: I moved here from another state. Will that driver's license or state ID be accepted?
    A: No. Only a Missouri state ID or Missouri driver's license will be accepted.
    Q: Do I need to update my driver's license if I obtain a concealed carry endorsement?
    A: Yes. After receiving the concealed carry certificate from the Sheriff's office, “the certificate holder shall apply for a driver's license or nondriver's licence with the director of revenue in order to obtain a concealed carry endorsement.” (RSMo 571.101)
    Please check the Department of Revenue's web site for more information.
    Q: Do I need a permit to carry a weapon in my car?
    A: According to RSMo 571.030, any individual, with or without a valid concealed carry endorsement, over the age of twenty-one may transport a concealable firearm that is otherwise lawfully possessed in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle.
    Additionally, “any person who has been issued a concealed carry endorsement and such endorsement or driver's license has not been suspended, revoked, canceled, or denied may carry concealed firearms on or about his or her person or within a vehicle.” (RSMo 571.101)
    Q: Does the weapon need to be unloaded if I am carrying it in my car?
    A: No.
    Q: Does the weapon have to be concealed at all times?
    A: When carrying on or about your person, the weapon MUST be fully concealed at all times.
    Q: What is a concealable firearm?
    A: “‘Concealable firearm' means any firearm with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length, measured from the face of the bolt or standing breech.” (RSMo 571.010)
    Q: When does the concealed carry endorsement expire?
    A: Once acquired, the endorsement is valid for three years from the date of issuance or renewal. (RSMo 571.101)
    Q: What if my concealed carry endorsement is lost or destroyed?
    A: “Any person issued a driver's license or nondriver's license containing a concealed carry endorsement pursuant to this section shall notify the sheriff or his or her designee of the endorsement holder's county or city of residence within seven days after actual knowledge of the loss or destruction of his or her driver's license or nondriver's license containing a concealed carry endorsement. The endorsement holder shall furnish a statement to the sheriff that the driver's license or nondriver's license containing the concealed carry endorsement has been lost or destroyed. After notification of the loss or destruction of a driver's license or nondriver's license containing a concealed carry endorsement, the sheriff shall reissue a new certificate of qualification within three working days of being notified by the concealed carry endorsement holder of its loss or destruction.” (RSMo 571.104)
    Q: What if I have a valid concealed carry endorsement and move?
    A: “Any person issued a concealed carry endorsement pursuant to this section shall notify the department of revenue and the sheriffs of both the old and new jurisdictions of the endorsement holder's change of residence within thirty days after the changing of a permanent residence. The endorsement holder shall furnish proof to the department of revenue and the sheriff in the new jurisdiction that the endorsement holder has changed his or her residence…A concealed carry endorsement shall be automatically invalid after thirty days if the endorsement holder has changed his or her name or changed his or her residence and not notified the department of revenue and sheriff of a change of name or residence.” (RSMo 571.104)
    Q: What should I do if I have a concealed carry endorsement and change my name?
    A: “The endorsement holder shall furnish proof of the name change to the department of revenue and the sheriff within thirty days of changing his or her name and display his or her current driver's license or nondriver's license containing a concealed carry endorsement. The endorsement holder shall apply for a new driver's license or nondriver's license containing his or her new name…A concealed carry endorsement shall be automatically invalid after thirty days if the endorsement holder has changed his or her name or changed his or her residence and not notified the department of revenue and sheriff of a change of name or residence.” (RSMo 571.104)
    Q: What if my concealed carry endorsement expires and I fail to renew on or before the expiration date?
    A: An additional late fee of $10 per month for each month will be added to the renewal charge. After six months, the endorsement will be cancelled. (RSMo 571.104)
    Q: Are there places with a valid endorsement I cannot carry a concealed weapon?
    A: YES. Such places include:
    (1) Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol office or station,
    (2) Within twenty-five feet of any polling place on any Election Day. (3) A facility of any adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison, or jail
    (4) Any courthouse or building occupied by a court.
    (5) Any meeting of the governing body of a unit of local government or any meeting of the general assembly or a committee of the general assembly, excluding members.
    (6) Any building owned, leased or controlled by a unit of government, except public housing, highways, rest areas, firing ranges and private dwellings.
    (7) Any establishment licensed to dispense intoxicating liquor or nonintoxicating beer for consumption on the premises, excluding any bona fide restaurant open to the general public having dining facilities for not less than fifty persons and that receives at least fifty-one percent of its gross annual income from the sale of food.
    (8) Any area of an airport to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property.
    (9) Any place where the carrying of a firearm is prohibited by federal laws
    (10) Any higher education institution or elementary or secondary school facility
    (11) Any portion of a building used as a child care facility
    (12) Any riverboat gambling operation accessible by the public
    (13) Any gated area of an amusement park
    (14) Any church or other place of religious worship
    (15) Any private property whose owner has posted the premises as being off limits to concealed firearms by means of one or more signs displayed in a conspicuous place of a minimum size of eleven inches by fourteen inches.
    (16) Any sports arena or stadium with a seating capacity of five thousand or more.
    (17) Any hospital accessible by the public.
    (RSMo 571.107)
    Q: Does Missouri honor out of state concealed carry endorsements?
    A: Yes, Missouri recognizes “any valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.” (RSMo 571.030)
    Q: Do I need a concealed carry endorsement for each concealable weapon I lawfully possess?
    A: No, you only need one endorsement.
    Q: What if I have knowledge that another person who was issued a concealed carry endorsement never was or no longer is eligible for such endorsement?
    A: “Any person who has (such) knowledge… may file a petition with the clerk of the small claims court to revoke that person's certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement and such person's concealed carry endorsement. The petition shall be in a form substantially similar to the petition for revocation of concealed carry endorsement provided in this (RSMo 571.117).”
    Q: Do I need to register my concealable weapon purchased in another state?
    A: No.
    Q: Once I obtain a concealed carry endorsement where am I allowed to carry a concealable weapon?
    A: The concealed carry endorsement is valid throughout the state of Missouri .
    Q: Can I check to see if someone else has a concealed carry endorsement?
    A: No. “Information regarding any holder of a certificate of qualification or a concealed carry endorsement is a closed record.” (RSMo 571.101)
    Q: Am I required to carry my endorsement?
    A: Yes. “Any person issued a concealed carry endorsement…shall carry the concealed carry endorsement at all times the person is carrying a concealed firearm and shall display the concealed carry endorsement upon the request of any peace officer.” (RSMo 571.121)
    Q: Which states recognize Missouri's concealed carry endorsement?
    A: Check the Missouri Attorney General's website for current information on reciprocity.
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    Permits to Purchase A Firearm
    Q: Do I need a permit to purchase a firearm?
    A: No, as of August 28, 2007 a permit to purchase a firearm is no longer required. Section 571.090 has been repealed.
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    You will notice some differences.

    Missouri state law may allow concealed carry by exception (10) of the revised statue where a local government may not.
    The most stringent law in effect will always apply.

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    Missouri state law may allow concealed carry by exception (10) of the revised statue where a local government may not.

    The most stringent law in effect will always apply.
    Not so. 21.750 creates a primacy of state law over local:

    (1) The general assembly hereby occupies
    and preempts the entire field of legislation
    touching in any way firearms, components,
    ammunition and supplies to the complete
    exclusion of any order, ordinance or regulation
    by any political subdivision of this state. Any
    existing or future orders, ordinances or
    regulations in this field are hereby and shall be
    null and void except as provided in subsection 3
    of this section.
    (2) No county, city, town, village, municipality,
    or other political subdivision of this state shall
    adopt any order, ordinance or regulation
    concerning in any way the sale, purchase,
    purchase delay, transfer, ownership, use,
    keeping, possession, bearing, transportation,
    licensing, permit, registration, taxation other than
    sales and compensating use taxes or other
    controls on firearms, components, ammunition,
    and supplies except as provided in subsection 3
    of this section.
    Subsection 3, however, provides for regulation of open carry - and open carry only - on a local level:

    (3) Nothing contained in this section shall
    prohibit any ordinance of any political
    subdivision which conforms exactly with any of
    the provisions of sections 571.010 to 571.070,
    RSMo, with appropriate penalty provisions, or
    which regulates the open carrying of firearms
    readily capable of lethal use or the discharge of
    firearms within a jurisdiction, provided such
    ordinance complies with the provisions ofsection 252.243, RSMo.
    This preemption was a sticking point in getting concealed carry passed in Missouri. Without it, right to carry would be effectively useless, especially in metropolitan areas like Kansas City and St. Louis where you can pass through 3 different jurisdictions just to get groceries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raytracer View Post
    Not so. 21.750 creates a primacy of state law over local:



    Subsection 3, however, provides for regulation of open carry - and open carry only - on a local level:



    This preemption was a sticking point in getting concealed carry passed in Missouri. Without it, right to carry would be effectively useless, especially in metropolitan areas like Kansas City and St. Louis where you can pass through 3 different jurisdictions just to get groceries.

    Joe
    Tell it to the judge Joe. That was part of my point in posting such a lengthy reply. I have listed two examples of current law, state and a city amendment. I did not list what other counties require.
    I don't know too many NRA instructors who will not tell you that they had a hand in passing the current legislation. The fact is, judges lawyers and sometimes even LEO's attend CCW classes to get more insight of the law. Missouri no doubt has a very progressive CCW law in place.
    Carrying on school property remains an issue. Board policy of schools prohibits carry most of the time even if allowed by state or local law.
    This provision of the law has its own implications. It can and does lead to employees being fired.
    I support 2A and am not anti-gun.
    I just don't want to see some mis-guided person think that they can carry where they cannot and get fired by being ignorant of the subtle differences between state and local law.
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    oh and then we have this one:
    Section 571-107 Endorsement does not authorize conceale
    Which is the trump? So when and where can we carry? Arrrg?
    Why does the law have to always be somewhat confusing?
    A lack of preparation on your part does not and will not constitute an emergency on mine.

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