Can anyone elaborate please? (ohio law)

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    Can anyone elaborate please? (ohio law)

    I know some things have been covered... but section 2923.121 of Ohio law states "Possession of firearm in liquor permit premises - prohibition, exceptions."

    the part that gives exception including paragraph e is what I had a question about...

    paragraph (e) states

    "(e) Any person who is carrying a valid license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued to the person under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued to the person by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code and who possesses the firearm in a retail store with D-6 and D-8 permits issued for that store under sections 4303.182 and 4303.184 of the Revised Code or a D-8 permit issued for that store under section 4303.184 of the Revised Code, as long as the person is not consuming liquor or under the influence of alcohol or a drug of abuse."

    2923.125 is a CHL
    2923.1213 is an emergency CHL

    What the heck is a D-6 license? I have looked up the definition and the provision is several pages... I'm not 100% sure what establishment (in English) would acquire a D-6 or D-8 liquor license. Does anyone speak bureaucrat that can help me out?

    I have searched for threads pertaining to the class D liquor licenses and the one most fitting would be the following.

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...lishments.html

    Would a restaurant have a D-6 or D-8? Or are those licenses only cover events and retail stores?
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    I can elaborate....

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    A1 $3,906 ORC 4303.02 Manufacturer of beer, ale, stout and other malt liquors.
    A1A $3,906 ORC 4303.021 Beer, and any intoxicating liquor by the glass or container on A-1 or A-2 permit premises only until 2:30am.
    A2 $76 ORC 4303.03 Manufacturer of wine.
    A3 $3,906 ORC 4303.04 Manufacture, import and sell alcohol and spirituous liquor
    A3A $3,906 ORC 4303.041 Manufacturer of less than 10,000 gallons of spirituous liquor and sale to a personal consumer.
    A4 $3,906 ORC 4303.05 Manufacture and sell certain prepared and bottled drinks, import for blended purposes
    B2A $25 ORC 4303.07 Sale of wine to retail permit holder.
    S $25 ORC 4303.232 Sale of wine to personal consumer via mail order.
    W $1,563 ORC 4303.231 To operate a warehouse for the storage of beer or intoxicating liquor within the state and to sell such products from the warehouse to a B permit holder with Consent to Import on file or to other customers outside this state.

    * Distributor

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    B1 $3,125 ORC 4303.06 Distributor of beer, ale, stout, other malt liquor.
    B2 $500 ORC 4303.07 Distributor of bottled wine.
    B3 $124 ORC 4303.08 Distributor of sacramental wine.
    B4 $500 ORC 4303.09 Distributor of mixed beverages.
    B5 $1,563 ORC 4303.10 Distributor and importer and bottler of wine.

    * Retail Store Carryout

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    C1 $252 ORC 4303.11 Beer only in original sealed container for carry out only.
    C2 $376 ORC 4303.12 Wine and certain prepackaged mixed drinks in sealed containers for carry out.
    C2X $252 ORC 4303.121 Beer in original sealed containers for carry out.
    D8 $500 ORC 4303.184 Sale of tasting samples of beer, wine, and mixed beverages, but not spirituous liquor, at retail, for consumption on premises.

    * Restaurant / Night Club

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    D1 $376 ORC 4303.13 Beer only for on premises consumption or in sealed containers for carry out.
    D2 $564 ORC 4303.14 Wine and certain prepackaged drinks for on premises consumption or in sealed containers for carry out.
    D2X $376 ORC 4303.141 Beer only for on premises consumption or in sealed containers.
    D3 $750 ORC 4303.15 Spirituous liquor for on premises consumption only until 1:00am.
    D3X $300 ORC 4303.151 Wine only for on premises consumption only until 1:00am.
    D3A $938 ORC 4303.16 Extend issued permit privileges until 2:30am.
    D5 $2,344 ORC 4303.18 Spirituous liquor for on premises consumption only, beer and wine for on premises, or off premises in original sealed containers, until 2:30am.
    D5I $2,344 ORC 4303.181 Spirituous liquor for on premises consumption only, beer and wine for on premises, and off premises in original sealed containers, until 2:30 a.m. (restaurants meeting certain criteria)
    D7 $469 ORC 4303.183 Beer and any intoxicating liquor by the glass or container for consumption on the premises only until 2:30am. (RESORT area ONLY).

    * Club

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    D4 $469 ORC 4303.17 Beer and any intoxicating liquor to members only, for on premises consumption only until 1:00am.
    D4A $750 ORC 4303.171 Airline club only - Beer and any intoxicating to members and guests until 2:00am.
    D5C $1,563 ORC 4303.181 (Same as D5.)(This class can no longer be applied for.)
    D5D $2,344 ORC 4303.181 (Same as D5) located at airport.

    * Hotel And Motel

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    D5A $2,344 ORC 4303.181 (Same as D5) for hotel or motel with 50 or more rooms for transient guests.

    * Enclosed Shopping Mall

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    D5B l $2,344 ORC 4303.181 (Same as D5) for enclosed shopping mall.

    * River Boats

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    D5E $1,219 ORC 4303.181 Beer and intoxicating liquor for on premises consumption only, until 2:30am.(historical river boat owned by charitable organization only)

    * Marinas

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    D5F $2,344 ORC 4303.181 Beer and intoxicating liquor by the glass or container for on premises consumption only until 2:30am.(marina restaurant only)

    * Museums

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    D5G $1,875 ORC 4303.181 Beer and intoxicating liquor by the glass or container for on premises consumption only until 1:00am.(national sports museum only)
    D5H $1,875 ORC 4303.181 Beer and intoxicating liquor by the glass or container for on premises consumption only until 1:00am.(fine arts museum only)

    * Community Entertainment District/Revitalization

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    D5J $2,344 ORC 4303.181 Spirituous liquor for on premises consumption only, beer and wine for on premises and off premises in original sealed containers, until 2:30am. (for a community entertainment district)
    D5L $2,344 ORC 4303.181 Sale of beer and intoxicating liquor at retail by the glass or container for on premises consumption until 2:30 a.m. (retail food establishment or food service operation meeting certain criteria).

    * Sunday Sales

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description

    D6 $400-c
    $500-d ORC 4303.182 Sale of intoxicating liquor on Sunday between the hours 10:00am or 1:00pm and midnight.

    * Other

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    D5K $1,875 ORC 4303.181 Sale of beer and intoxicating liquor for on premises consumption issued to certain non profit organizations that own and operate a botanical garden.
    D5M $2,344 ORC 4303.181 Sale of beer and intoxicating liquor at retail by the glass or container for on premises consumption only until one a.m. (restaurant affiliated with center for the preservation of wild animals).
    E $500 ORC 4303.19 Railroad car or airline to sell beer or any intoxicating liquor at retail in glass or from container for consumption in such car or aircraft.
    G $100 ORC 4303.21 Retail drug store (alcohol for medicinal, industrial, mechanical, chemical, or scientific purposes).
    H $300 ORC 4303.22 PUCO motor carrier to transport beer, intoxicating liquor and alcohol, also to railroad.
    I $200 ORC 4303.23 Wholesale druggist (purchase - import alcohol for sale at wholesale and retail).

    * Temporary Permits

    Permit Class Permit Fee Description
    F $40 ORC 4303.20 Valid for beer only until 1:00am. (Temporary - 5 days).
    F1 $250 ORC 4303.201 Temporary "Special Function" permit (3 days) (allows B.Y.O.B. by a nonprofit organization at Municipal Convention Center).
    F2 $150 ORC 4303.202 Temporary permit (48 hours) beer and any intoxicating liquor by glass or container on premises only until 1:00am.
    F3 $300 ORC 4303.203 Alcohol Beverage Industry Education.
    F4 $60 ORC 4303.204 Certain non profit organizations for an event that includes the introduction, showcasing or promotion of wines produced in Ohio; to furnish at no charge 2 oz. samples and sale for on premises consumption and carry out of wine from participating A2 permit holders. The fee is $60 (per day).
    F5 $180 ORC 4303.205 Beer and Intoxicating liquor issued to a Riverboat at a festival sponsored by a nonprofit organization (6 days - one per calendar year).
    F6 $50 ORC 4303.206 Sale of wine by a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization (72 consecutive hours - 6 per year).
    F7 $450 ORC 4303.207 Beer, wine, mixed beverages, and spirituous liquor issued to a nonprofit organization at a "qualified golf event", meeting certain criteria until 1AM. (8 days - two(2) per calendar year).
    F8 $1700 ORC 4303.208 Temporary permit to a not-for-profit organization for sales on publicly owned property located in Hamilton County only.
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    Thanks for the info SIXTO

    now that I know the simplified definition
    I wonder what establishment they where referring to when they put that provision in the law, since most that would have a D-6 would also have a D-5() permit thus barring a CHL from entering the building.

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    not sure, probably just to be thorough in case some enterprising pro-ccw person decided to open a restaurant. General rule of thumb in Ohio is that if its a place that allows you to consume on the premises you can't carry.

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    You can carry into the Circle K

    You cannot carry into the local bar or Ruby Tuesdays

    What that says is you can carry into a store that sells the stuff, but you cannot carry where they have a license to dispense for on site consumption.
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    that makes sense... sale but not consumption

    strange they have to have 2 separate licenses for selling on Sunday vs different days.

    I hope they reform the law soon cause there are a lot of nice restaurants that I no longer go to due to the liquor license restriction. Its like preventing DUI by not allowing people that drove to the restaurant in even if they don't drink.

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    My CHL/NRA instructors were quite clear that you can not carry in an establishment that serves liquor, but you can carry in places that serve only beer and wine. Agree? Disagree?
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    Today, a couple of friends and I drove to KY, from Ohio, and walked around inside a big booze super store, just looking at all of the bottles and party supplies like three normal guys. One of us forgot that he was carrying his little Ruger LCR instead of leaving it inside the car. He simply forgot that he was wearing it.

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    common sense

    More or less in Ohio if they serve alcohol and you are not a police officer you are not allowed to carry. Even in Chipotle.

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    Your Chipotle has beer!? That's awesome. A chipotle run here consists of two stops.
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    I was in Chipotle in Springboro (which in my estimation isnt that far from you Sixto) and they had beer. A decent selection for a small fast food joint if I remember correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwhite75 View Post
    I was in Chipotle in Springboro (which in my estimation isnt that far from you Sixto) and they had beer. A decent selection for a small fast food joint if I remember correctly.
    No, Springboro isnt far from me. None of the Chipotle's I go to have beer though. Maybe they will soon.
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    the local Chipotle across from The University Hospital serves beer in bottles. They sell it but they don't open it for you like bars and other restaurants do. A real gray area I guess.

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    I don't mean to hijack the thread, but since I noticed most of the posters are from Ohio, I thought you all might be interested in knowing (if you don't already) that Ohioans For Concealed Carry sent out an alert a couple days ago that House Bill 203 is finally scheduled for a second reading and proponent testimony on Tuesday, January 19th, at 3:00pm. Lets all hope this bill finally goes forward and gets passed and becomes law in the not too distant future. It would bring Ohio concealed carry law into line with most other states that allow you to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol at long as you are not drinking. I haven't had a drink in almost 25 years, but I do like to go to places like Chili's, Don Pablos, Applebees, etc. and on occasion, the Golden Lamb. Currently, I can't do so while carrying.About the only places you can eat in Ohio while armed are the fast food joints or Cracker Barrel or Golden Corral.
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    I'll eat at Cracker Barrel, but I would feed my dog stuff from Golden Coral.
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