2 carry signs at a bar last night!! one yes and one no?

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    2 carry signs at a bar last night!! one yes and one no?

    Hey all i have a question, i play in a band and last night we were playing at On The Rox Bar II. its a new establishment on Cypress N Houston rd in Cypress TX.
    Well as i walk in, i notice the 51% sign and didnt pay any attention really as its a bar, No food, and i leave my kimber secure in my truck, but as i took a second look at the signs, next to the 51% sign, was the sign that reads "the unlicenced possesion of a firearm on the premises is a felony sign". whats the deal? i was gonna snap a pic with my crackberry but the signs were really high up, it was dark, and i didnt wanna look like a wierdo.

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    I saw the "unlicensed possession" sign on a trip to Texas also. I think it was in a bodega.

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    The 51% sign will trump it. It's still a felony to carry there. Those "unlicensed possession" signs are not legally valid.
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    yeah better safe than sorry, and if its a bar, then its a bar.
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    You can't carry at a bar in TX?

    Why does every praise TX gun laws...they suck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by G19inLV View Post
    You can't carry at a bar in TX?

    Why does every praise TX gun laws...they suck!
    Well...if an establishment earns 51% or more of their revenue from alcohol sales, it's off limits. The sign is an easy way of seeing who does and doesn't (until recently, Arizona was the same way) If there is no sign present, I think it's ok to carry there (but I may be wrong, IANAL).

    I've seen plenty of the "Unauthorized possession" signs at restaurants here. Basically, those are simply informing people who are already carrying illegally that it is a felony to carry there. For people with permits, those don't really apply.

    Even if the bar had both, the 51% sign is the important one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcon View Post
    Well...if an establishment earns 51% or more of their revenue from alcohol sales, it's off limits. The sign is an easy way of seeing who does and doesn't (until recently, Arizona was the same way) If there is no sign present, I think it's ok to carry there (but I may be wrong, IANAL).

    I've seen plenty of the "Unauthorized possession" signs at restaurants here. Basically, those are simply informing people who are already carrying illegally that it is a felony to carry there. For people with permits, those don't really apply.

    Even if the bar had both, the 51% sign is the important one.
    Well that law stinks. I have been thinking about moving to TX, but the more and more I learn about it, the more I feel like I will be losing my rights.

    In NV, you can not only carry into a bar, but you can drink up until a .10! Not that I condone it..but it's nice to know I don't have to leave it in the car just to walk in one.

    And yet you don't hear of drunk CCW holders shooting each other..go figure. I think states like NV show that it can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcon View Post
    (until recently, Arizona was the same way) .
    Beg to differ here. Until recently, in AZ, carrying in ANY business that served alcohol for consumption on the premises was illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G19inLV View Post
    You can't carry at a bar in TX?

    Why does every praise TX gun laws...they suck!
    Yeah Texas IS NOT an Open Carry State..... What the heck???
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    In some states carrying a gun while intoxicated is illegal,If I get in a SD situation I don't want the fact that my judgement may have been impaired by alcohol to be a factor in the investigation,Remember guns and alcohol don't mix
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teufelhunde View Post
    Beg to differ here. Until recently, in AZ, carrying in ANY business that served alcohol for consumption on the premises was illegal.

    That's not entirely true. You could legally carry inside an applebees or something, you just couldn't sit at the bar and do so.

    At least that's what our instructor told us. I went through the class in Mesa and at the time (according to him) if they weren't making most (51% or more) of their revenue from alcohol, it was still ok to go in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G19inLV View Post
    Well that law stinks. I have been thinking about moving to TX, but the more and more I learn about it, the more I feel like I will be losing my rights.

    In NV, you can not only carry into a bar, but you can drink up until a .10! Not that I condone it..but it's nice to know I don't have to leave it in the car just to walk in one.

    And yet you don't hear of drunk CCW holders shooting each other..go figure. I think states like NV show that it can be done.
    I'd recommend staying in Nevada, if that's your main requirement for residence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    In some states carrying a gun while intoxicated is illegal,If I get in a SD situation I don't want the fact that my judgement may have been impaired by alcohol to be a factor in the investigation,Remember guns and alcohol don't mix
    I can't agree more. I'm actually ok with not being able to carry inside a bar. I do go to them with friends and have a good time. If I don't feel comfortable in one, then I leave. I know you never know when something will happen, but I also don't let a fear of that stop me from living my life.

    Alcohol and guns don't mix at all. I would disarm going in to somewhere I knew I'd be drinking at even if it was legal to go in armed.
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    The 51% sign is the one that holds legal weight AFAIK.

    Quote Originally Posted by pcon View Post
    Well...if an establishment earns 51% or more of their revenue from alcohol sales, it's off limits.
    I'm no expert, LEO, or lawyer, but I'm pretty sure it's if "an establishment earns 51% or more of their revenue from alcohol sales to be consumed ON SITE." You should be able to carry into a liquor store since 51% of their revenue is alcohol not consumed on site. I hope that makes sense, and correct me if I'm wrong.

    But yes, I'd like to see Texas allow OC and being able to carry in a bar. Make it illegal to drink and carry a gun IMO, but just because you're a designated driver doesn't mean you can't arm yourself from any drunk who wants to pick a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueNinjaGo View Post
    The 51% sign is the one that holds legal weight AFAIK.



    I'm no expert, LEO, or lawyer, but I'm pretty sure it's if "an establishment earns 51% or more of their revenue from alcohol sales to be consumed ON SITE."
    You're correct. Thanks for the clarification. It does need to be consumed "on site" for it to be off limits.
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