Consider the Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network. While currently it does not appear the ACLDN has any affiliated attorneys in SD, it might be worth asking the founders of the group.
There is also The Shooter's Bar, which is a list of pro-RKBA attorneys.
There are a couple lawyers around here who have their cards handed out during CCW classes. The front is their typical business card info, the back is a checklist of the only 5 or so things you should tell law enforcement until your attorney arrives. A lot of guys around here carry those cards in their wallets.
Specific to your question, I have not programmed a lawyer into my phone.
Personal Defense's Massad Ayoob - what to do after a self defense shooting:
Hoping and Assuming you survived...
1. Call 911
2. Officer this person attacked me, I will sign the complaint,
3. Officer here is the evidence (knife, gun, ball bat, whatever).
4. Officer these are the witnesses.
5. Officer you will have my full cooperation in 24 hrs after I see my attorney.
I pay a local attorney a retainer fee once a year. For that I get his laminated card in my wallet that goes right behind the CHL. It has his cell phone number attached to his hip 24/7 on it. Right after calling 911, I get the card out and call him. When the police arrive, I make my statement and hand the officer the card informing him that my attorney is aware of the situation and on the way.
You don't need a lawyer until you are arrested and/or taken in for questioning. Until then, use common sense. Give the LEOs name, address, etc., show permit to CC, as required, but don't volunteer info.
I would think the police are going to have alot of questions the minute they arrive. Which goes back to the OP. When do you "lawyer up" and are you prepared to do so?
While it's a bit dramatic, the point is that any type of shooting is going to cost you big $$, whether you were right or wrong, so you better be darn sure before you shoot anyone. You can easily lose your house...even if found not guilty. In some states, even if cleared by the police, you can still be taken to civil court over the incident.
Just one more reason to avoid using your gun if you have any other options.
Actually, that's my point. Posting without being constructive is just trolling.
I pay him 30 bucks a year to carry the card in my wallet. He is very up front when he tells you what the consequences are for drawing the weapon and using it.
At a minimum, he said that if the weapon gets drawn and nobody gets hurt, it's $10,000 to start off.
If the weapon gets drawn and you kill somebody, it's at least $15,000 for a clean shoot/no-bill. If the case goes to trial, plan on taking out a second mortgage on the house and talk to your insurance company.......
The card also serves a second purpose - just seeing it reminds me of the discussion we had about what he charges for a criminal defense; that makes one think very hard about where and when to draw that weapon...
The card also serves a second purpose - just seeing it reminds me of the discussion we had about what he charges for a criminal defense; that makes one think very hard about where and when to draw that weapon...
Yup. It is most certainly not a Captain America, Get Out Of Jail Free card. It is a last-ditch card, to be used when you've exhausted the final option and you now need to pay for that act. Sobering, isn't it? :yup:
I am currently in the process of questioning the instructors at the local gun clubs and guys at the gun shops, polling to see who they use and who has experience. As soon as I settle on one, I am going to have an initial meeting to figure out how he wants the sequence of events to go, and what it will cost. As people have said, I don't expect it to be cheap, but having a number in your phone for a lawyer you have already talked to and know what to expect could save you a lot of trouble.
I guess that's what i'm getting at Big Stick, almost 500 people have viewed this thread and only a few have thought about who they would call after a shooting. I never thought about until today.
I have had experience with this once, and I promise you that is about how it will go down. Plan on spending that kind of money for a defense even if it is, as we say in Texas a "no-bill" situation.
What I can tell you about the police is this: Once you notify them as I did that your legal counsel is aware of the situation and is en route, everything changes. You will not be hustled into a room and grilled with the good cop/bad cop thing, they will be as courteous to you as you are to them and they will not push you with any questions because they know the attorney will get any of that stricken mighty quick. You can sit down and compose yourself, and discuss what went down without 5 different people asking you the same question 10 different ways to try and trip you up. When the questioning does occur, he will be there advising you what to answer and what not to, and he will jump down their throats in a heartbeat if they try to get out of line or mislead you.
All in all it is money well spent, especially if you pack the weapon. I think of it as an insurance policy.
1. Call 911
2. Officer this person attacked me, I will sign the complaint,
3. Officer here is the evidence (knife, gun, ball bat, whatever).
4. Officer these are the witnesses.
5. Officer you will have my full cooperation in 24 hrs after I see my attorney
There are several good lawyers that I could call to defend me but I know that they will ask for a sizable retainer to do so. Answering only the above will save attorney's fees to get me out of any legal proceedings.
I’ll throw another wrinkle/concern, for those of us that live in certain “republics” that only have out-of-state permits and are used obviously only when traveling it is truly mind-boggling.
Love has its rewards... my lady (now my wife) works for a sizeable law firm. The firm's specialty is insurance, but they have two criminal defense attorneys who have successfully handled some high-profile cases. My wife is friendly with one of the two and as a result I have his card in my wallet and his number in my phone.
Nice, maybe I need to hook up with a hot lawyer.:smile:
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