Sheriff election coming up in SJ County

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    Sheriff election coming up in SJ County

    In our county, San Joaquin, California our incumbant sheriff was taken out of office for mail fraud or something like that. The sheriff that took over for him, Sheriff Heidelbach is not running for election that is coming up. I wish he would though. I emailed all five candidates today and asked them where they stand on giving CCW's to law abiding citizens. Below is the first response I received from a Captain John Huber who is probably leading at this point. I will post the rest of the replies when I get them.

    From: jannahuber
    Sent: 05/12/2006 02:27 PM
    Subject: Re: Candidate Question

    I believe residents that are qualified and can show a need should have permits issued by the chief of police or the sheriff if they live in the unincorperated area of San Joaquin County. We have a process including an instruction school and qualification at an approved range upon renewal. Concealed weapons permits should be available for all citizens not just the people who have contributed to campaigns. This office is not for sale!

    Thanks for the question-John
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    Sounds like a typical political response.....the key statement tho was in his first sentence...." .....can show a need....." That is a big constraint. Yes, available to all qualified residents, but you gotta show you "need" it. Good luck !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugerman
    From: jannahuber
    Sent: 05/12/2006 02:27 PM
    Subject: Re: Candidate Question

    I believe residents that are qualified and can show a need should have permits issued
    You can get one in Maryland if you can "show a need", it's just that it appears no one has a need!!

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    That was my take also. I am going to reply to him about it.
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    also ruger i know you dont live in stanislas country but mark putaf is running for sherif (i know i spelled his name wrong) well i grew up with mark and his brother and have been shooting with both of them when we were younger think he is a good choice

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    hey ruger a ? for you how did you get there email addys?
    would love to email our two running for sherif thanks

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    ''Showing a need" is about as variable in interpretation as the famous word ''reasonable"

    However, the message could have been worse!
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    Here ya go. Your buddy only has one person running against him. If he is pro CCW he sounds like a good candidate. I'm in San Joaquin county so I can't vote for him. Here is the link to all of his info.
    http://www.modbee.com/2006/election/
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    Here is the second reply I got from Cheif Lobenberg. I believe he is a CHP Chief.

    From: "Dennis Lobenberg"
    Sent: 05/13/2006 10:40 AM
    Subject: RE:

    Thank you for contacting me. As I have stated publicly, I am in favor
    of
    issuing permits to those that need protection. The bad guys are
    carrying
    guns. So it stands to reason that those that carry large sums of money,
    live
    in rural areas where response times are lengthy, or are in a situation
    where
    they feel they need extra protection, should be allowed to do the same.
    The key as you pointed out is to "qualified, law abiding citizens".
    Please
    feel free to contact me if you have any further questions. My goal when
    I
    become Sheriff is to continue to be accessable to anyone with
    questions.
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    Ruger, Sounds like your possible sheriff's are skirting the issue. You need to nail them down to a yes/no answer. Don't ask them what they think, ask them a direct yes/no question !!! Please post when you get answers.
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    Here is the last of the comments I got from the candidates. The rest apparently are not going to respond. This is the one that gets my vote out of all of them.



    Thank You for taking the time to contact me regarding your question. I
    support CCW permits for any county resident that meets the training
    requirements and qualifications for issuance of a permit.

    Thanks Again for your Inquiry,

    Steve Moore
    Candidate
    San Joaquin County Sheriff Coroner
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    "Statement of Need" for CA CCW

    The traditional stumbling block to getting a CA CCW from a county sheriff has been the "statement of need". This is in CA state law as a requirement, but the sheriffs get to interpret what it means. The net result is that in some counties "self defense" is adequate for CCW issuance, if you meet the usual objective requirements of training, no criminal background, and passing a simple written test.

    Then in other counties, especially the big urban counties, the sheriff will only accept some rare and exotic statement of need, such as written by a person who carries gold bullion for a living, has received death threats, and also contributed to the sheriff's political campaign. This is why you will only get several hundred CCW permits in a place like Los Angeles County, which has close to 10 million population.

    But there is a recent trend for sheriff candidates to use the promise of relaxed CCW issuance as an issue when running against more restrictive candidates. We have seen this in Orange and Mendocino counties, among others. Currently in San Diego County a candidate named Bruce Ruff is running against incumbent Bill Kolender, and Ruff is promising much relaxed CCW policies.

    I don't know which of the candidates in your county is the real deal, but I hope he is elected.

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    Here was the outcome after the ballots were counted. Lobenberg and Moore will have a runoff in November. I am voting for Moore.

    STOCKTON — Steve Moore and Dennis Lobenberg advanced to a November runoff in the race for San Joaquin County Sheriff on Tuesday.

    Moore and Lobenberg had 26.1 percent and 24.9 percent of the vote with all 507 precincts reporting Wednesday morning. John Huber was third with 19.5 percent, followed by Rick Sealy with 16.3 percent and Elbert Holman with 12.9 percent.

    The two leaders will compete in a runoff in the November election.
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