Checking only ammo in baggage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmodel65 View Post
    no the outer lock maybe non tsa also if you are carrying a gun
    Please provide a cite for this, because AFAIK, it's incorrect. If you are using a large locked gun case as luggage, and it's by itself, you MAY be able to get away with it. I would not chance it however. If TSA cuts the lock off, your gun case is not secured and by FAA regs, may not be placed on the aircraft.

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    When you check luggage with firearms in it, they are supposed to escort you to the TSA screening area, where it is examined in your presence, and if neccessary, you can open the case. Once they are done, you MUST secure either the gun case, or the bag itself (as long as it is a hard-paneled bag) with a non-TSA lock. No one other than the traveler may is supposed to have a key to the lock.

    The trick is to use a hard-sided suitcase and say that it is the "hard sided container" required by TSA.


    TSA: Traveling with Special Items

    The key regulatory requirements to transporting firearms, firearm parts or ammunition in checked baggage are:

    You must declare all firearms to the airline during the ticket counter check-in process.
    The firearm must be unloaded.

    The firearm must be in a hard-sided container.
    The container must be locked. A locked container is defined as one that completely secures the firearm from access by anyone other than you. Cases that can be pulled open with little effort do not meet this criterion.
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    We recommend that you provide the key or combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container. You should remain present during screening to take the key back after the container is cleared. If you are not present and the security officer must open the container, we or the airline will make a reasonable attempt to contact you. If we can't contact you, the container will not be placed on the plane. Federal regulations prohibit unlocked gun cases (or cases with broken locks) on aircraft.

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    The trick is to use a hard-sided suitcase and say that it is the "hard sided container" required by TSA.
    Tricks? The TSA doesn't know their own rules, you think you can trick them?
    They cut TSA locks off every day...........maybe for fun, who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadgerMan View Post
    When traveling just make certain that you have it packaged in the original container or in a box that seperates each individual cartridge, if you don't, they will seize it (ask me how I know). I checked the TSA website and there is no requirement to declare ammo, if they see it in your bag they'll probably just check to make sure it is packaged correctly, I'd call the airline you'll be flying with too just to make sure they don't have any other guidelines specific to them.
    I think I will definitely give them a call, and hopefully speak to someone knowledgeable. It's all in its original box, so there's that at least. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalfan View Post
    Pretty simple rules for ammo. Here is the link to Southwest rules.

    Southwest Airlines Travel Policies - Guns and Ammunition

    Also another link to travel rules for guns/ammo.

    Packing & the Friendly Skies
    I did find the Southwest link earlier; I just wasn't sure whether a declaration was necessary for ammo alone, no gun.

    Thanks for that second link! Very interesting and useful stuff. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by naking View Post
    I don't trust bringing anything ever since I had one of my VERY nice straight razors taken from my checked baggage.
    I've heard stories like this, so I did wonder how common it was given the difficulties in finding 380 auto in some parts (and ammo in general, though it seems to have improved greatly in the last couple of months).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armydad View Post
    You are allowed to take ammo in your checked baggage as stated above. Southwest has an 11 pound maximum. Other airlines have different rules. Make sure that you purchase TSA locks at Office Depot, etc. for you luggage. After the inspection of your bag at the counter or TSA check point, you can lock the bag. A TSA lock will allow TSA to open if the desire to inspect further and then re-lock the bag.

    Good Luck.
    So, essentially...locking it serves no purpose in protecting it from theft? I'm going to call to see if it's necessary to lock it if it's just ammo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLSquirrelHunter View Post
    Your call on whether or not to bring a weapon to Florida for your trip, but please know that FL reciprocity applies for OH and PA. We are happily welcome legally armed visitors and tourists.
    If I wasn't going to be in dresses/skirts almost all of the time, I would. I'm just going to have to hope that my fiance is on his toes and stick to him like glue. If I ever head to Florida for some casual stuff, I will definitely bring something with me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    May I add, that when you travel, be sure to have a copy of the particular airline's rules site referring to guns and ammo. Sometimes they don't know their own rules.
    Great idea! I didn't even think of that...might save some hassle.

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    The Southwest information was vague. It said the ammo MAY be packed in the same container as the gun. I don't think they anticipated a traveler with ammo, but no gun. I think I'd go with a hard locked case inside my checked bag and notify them at the counter.
    11# seems to be the weight all allow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tflhndn View Post
    When you check luggage with firearms in it, they are supposed to escort you to the TSA screening area, where it is examined in your presence, and if neccessary, you can open the case. Once they are done, you MUST secure either the gun case, or the bag itself (as long as it is a hard-paneled bag) with a non-TSA lock. No one other than the traveler may is supposed to have a key to the lock.

    The trick is to use a hard-sided suitcase and say that it is the "hard sided container" required by TSA.
    Bingo. That is the issue. The TSA regs (as usual) are written very poorly, as they don't directly address a hardsided case being used as both your luggage and your gun container.

    I agree with you that it's probably ok, but open to some level of interpretation by TSA screeners.

    Technically you are correct but since most of us don't have the time to get into a prolonged discussion at the airport, I just put my locked hardsided gun case inside my luggage, which I secure with a nylon wire tie.

    As I said, i won't waste any more money on TSA approved locks. TSA doesn't give a rat's a** about TSA approved locks from my experience. They cut them off if they want to look.

    My .02 YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    As I said, i won't waste any more money on TSA approved locks. TSA doesn't give a rat's a** about TSA approved locks from my experience. They cut them off if they want to look.
    Is it really TSA cutting them or baggage handlers looking to see what goodies you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantoms View Post
    Is it really TSA cutting them or baggage handlers looking to see what goodies you have?
    Does it really matter? I put TSA locks on my baggage and when i get them back the lock is usually gone, sometimes with a note inside from TSA that they did an inspection, hence my point about TSA being the ones who did it. If the few former felon baggage handlers did it, the result is the same, no lock.

    As an added precaution, I use a security cable to attach my lockable case (Gunvault Microvault) to the inside of my suitcase as well. At least if light fingered Louie is gonna try to take my lockable case, my checked bag is going along for the ride. More noticeable to others that way.

    I've done this many times, with no problems other than the aforementioned missing TSA locks. I learned my lesson. Nylon wires ties from now on.

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