This is a discussion on Don't Bring A Handgun To A Rifle Fight (video) within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by maddyfish I watched the vid. That cop was mentally weak. Not a tough minded individual at all. And it got him shot ...
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You can hear this guys weakness in his voice. Weakness. Guys like this can go years, or even entire careers without trouble. But when they come up against a real predator, they go down. There are far too many guys like this in law enforcement now.
Brannan, a former Vietnam veteran and military trained killer, then began a gun battle with the young deputy, resulting in dozens of rounds being discharged at close range between the men. Both Dinkheller and Brannan reloaded several times in under 30 seconds. Brannan hit the deputy at least 10 times with the .30-caliber carbine, systematically disabling him until the final fatal shot.Brannan charged the ambush as trained.Brannan ignored the repeated commands to put the gun down and Deputy Dinkheller apparently fired the first shot. Brannan, a Vietnam veteran, advanced firing on the deputy. Dinkheller returned fire, but succeeded only in breaking a window in the driver's side of the pickup and wounding Brannan in the stomach. Using `suppressive fire', Brannan systematically, methodically shot Dinkheller in the arms, legs, exposed areas that would not be covered had Dinkheller been wearing a bulletproof vest, slowly executing him. Reloading his weapon Brannan continued firing with the final death shot to Dinkheller's right eye.
Unfortunately, the deputy was not systematic in exactly what he wanted Brannan to do and where. He issued at least five repeated commands:Come here.
Get your hands out of your pockets.
Get back, now. (away from me).
Step back, now. (get out of the car).
Put the gun down.
I don’t see how that would influence his decision to tell the suspect to drop what was clearly a gun 5 times before opening fire.Originally posted by JodyH
He had been reprimanded a week before for pulling his weapon on a guy that had dived under the seat to get his wallet.
Crude way of putting it but it does convey the fact that the Officer wasn’t committed to the fight and didn’t have the proper mindset. IMO the officer started out waaaaaaaaay behind the curve and never caught up and it did cost him his lifeOriginally posted by maddyfish
I watched the vid. That cop was mentally weak. Not a tough minded individual at all. And it got him shot up.
Point, Maddyfish. The Officer wasn’t commanding Brannan to put down the gun he was begging him.Originally posted by maddyfish
You can hear this guys weakness in his voice.
You don't have to like the facts but I'd say this video is pretty compelling evidence of what happens when you refuse to accept them.
There is a big difference in using this Video to learn and critique rather than criticize him. That Police Officer was out there to Protect and Serve. Let us try to Respect that. Cops are human beings and subject to the limitations that involves. This A-Hole was never going to comply and the Officer did hit the guy Center Mass, it was a failure to stop, he was outgunned and he was out fought. But he was also brave and honorable.
The police do not "protect". In order to protect they would have to assign a cop to guard you 24/7That Police Officer was out there to Protect and Serve.
When he finally got into the fight.the Officer did hit the guy Center Mass, it was a failure to stop,
The work of Political Correctness.
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent"
My presumption is police have immediate action drills for gun fights and other situations. I am probably wrong about that. Immediate action training is probably unsuited to dealing with civilians.
From my perspective, law enforcement can be a no-win proposition for the officer.
WOW that's really tough.
Had Front site used that video 10 years ago I woould have thought that they were money mongering pigs.
I really feel bad for the officer and his family.
But the video should and is being used for in your face training.
We all can agree that it should have ended in the good guys faviour but he made the error in judgment that cost his life.
The video has convinced My wife that mind set is everything and wants more training,so in that aspect the"sales" video worked.
Ain't Arm Chair quaterbacking fun? (sarcasm)
Take whatever is said on this site with a grain of salt there can be some very ignorant people giving advice and making comments here.
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