This is a discussion on Non Lethal Rounds? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by TX-JB I thought less lethal rounds were .22's and .25's... However, that is true only if you do not hit in the ...
The point of the exercise is the goal: to actually stop the threat. Not to just anger it, motivate it, temporarily shove it to the ground only to watch it rise up and consume you.
The point is to terminate it, so the threat no longer exists.
I'm all for doing so without the "wolf" dying. That's fine, if that's how it ends up. But frankly, if I waste so much time skipping and meandering slowly up the force continuum ladder until I reach the point that actually achieves the stopping of the deadly threat, then I will not have realized the irrevocable waste of time until it's too late, until it has reached the point of costing me my life or the lives of my loved ones.
I will terminate the threat as expeditiously and effectively as I am able, thank you very much. I won't use force until it's absolutely required, but when I am required to use it then I want it to be utterly effective and final in terms of stopping the threat against me and mine. Less-than-effective rounds won't do that reliably well.
The guy must be talking about FMJ rounds a apposed to JHP rounds.
That one gets a vote of "Just Goofy" unless it's a .380 or below.A listener called in and mentioned that he CC'd and that the first two rounds he has loaded are non lethal, saying that he wanted to avoid the hassle of killing someone if possible
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ANYTHING which has the slightest chance of stopping a physical attack has at least the possibility of causing death, including empty handed self-defense techniques. ANYTHING you shoot out of a firearm has a reasonable chance of killing someone.
A firearm is deadly force. If deadly force is not called for, a firearm is not called for.
If I have to unholster and use it...you better believe its because Im lookin to give the bad guy a beauty mark to remember me by!
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What the hell is a "non-lethal round"? He needs a moderate to a severe beating by a bad person; hopefully by one who does not take and use his gun against him after those first two non-lethal shots. This also means that he should never use hollow points in his .25s or .22s. To be non-lethal with a little gun, one must make sure to only shoot once, then see and evaluate the results, and then maybe shoot once again, but not pull the trigger and shoot ten hollow-point rounds quick, because that might really hurt the bad person worse than you have to. I mean, I don't want to abuse them with my Ruger Mark III. I guess that I ought to get rid of all of my hollowpoints, especially those Horny Daddies and Cor-Bons.
No, no, no... you all have it wrong, a non lethal round is the one Barney keeps in his pocket
Timid people sleep peacefully at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
OK, so poor place for a joke, and no I'm not saying that everyone should "shoot to kill", but if we are able to hit COM, or more preferably CNS in order to stop the threat, death is quite likely.
As others have stated, Less lethal is for LEO's who are trained and have LETHAL backup in case it is needed.
Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn. -C. S. Lewis
Apparantly they do exist and are available for civilian purchase. I was going to call BS, but...
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IMO worthless and rediculous, no way they will cycle a semi, but they do exist.
hopefully if I have to shoot, all my rounds will be non-lethal. They are speer gold dot hollowpoints but the purpose is to stop the threat. The BG's carma will have to determine if he lives or dies.
As to the OP's original post. No I would never load my firearm with non-lethal. I have feet, hands, OC, and a flashlight for all that stuff. If all that non-lethal technology doesn't get me out of dodge or stop the attack, the next thing I pull out hopefully will.
"You've never lived until you've almost died. For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the protected will never know" - T.R.
<----My LT was unhappy that I did not have my PASS-Tag at that fire. But I found the body so he said he would overlook it. :)
I'm glad I live in a state that protects me from civil lawsuits. (Assuming I was justified.)When a less lethal shell is used as the first round, knowledgeable courts of law and boards recognize this type of round as a legitimate attempt to defend without the intent of causing lethal injury, therefore reducing your risk of a lawsuit.