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This is a discussion on Concealed Carry Permit Holders within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Ram Rod Well.....let's look at this from another perspective (even though it may look nice on the outside). You can drive through ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    Well.....let's look at this from another perspective (even though it may look nice on the outside). You can drive through any state in the union with a current driver's license from your state of residency. Now....you move to another state, and change states of residency, you'll need to get your new state's driver's license. That's just the way it is. Each state has it's own laws, and the way we separate the states from universal (or blanket) federalist laws (which is actually what you'd be talking about), is by way of what we call state sovereignty. Those who pass certain criteria, mandated training, etc...... in order to obtain a carry permit in any state should be allowed to reciprocate under agreements amongst the sovereign states and not forced to be mandated by the federal government what they can and cannot do. One of the best ideals that keeps our country out of the pitfalls of socialism is state sovereignty itself, and by means of the constitution keeps us all free (for the time being). This nation was founded upon excellent morals, ideals, and some very smart men (and women). Folks these days can't even guess as to what it all means to them or how it relates to their life and existence in this country, because these days it's mostly taken for granted, downright ignored, or attempted to be abolished by those who want total control. Turn a resident state carry permit of any kind into a federal (universally accepted) carry permit, and you'll be taking away state sovereignty, and once again asking the federal government to step in (on something else), and take control. This should not happen. A universal (federal) driver's license would be the exact same thing. We don't want it to happen.

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    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
    If the federal government was forced to enforce the Constitution and the Second Amendment, NO permit would be needed anywhere in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foots402 View Post
    We as concealed permits holders who has "taking a concealed weapon traning course" to get a concealed permit should be allowed to carry concealed in any state just like we are able to drive with our driving license to any state. This need to be change!!!!!
    SC? You honor ours, we'll honor yours. We don't have mandatory training though. I'm not real happy needing a "permit" to exercise a right, let alone having to take a safety course.
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    Well I think this thread has kinda taken a turn for why the Federal government shouldn't regulate concealed carry which I agree with, when I re-read the post I realized(unless it was edited) that the OP just said that all states should get along so to speak and that I actually agree with. I think we as gun owners etc should be working towards some kind of common CPL/CCW law that has a minimum set of requirements that will allow cross state compatibility to avoid the confusion that's occurring now. I'm not saying the government should do it, but maybe the NRA or some other group pushing to standardize it some.

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    Here in the South, we started a war over State's Rights. Let's not go through THAT again!

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    Lets just work on the individual states honoring each others permits and leave the feds out of it. One state at a time for those who don't already.
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    Fed power

    In the back of my mind I am thinking about the Feds setting the 55mph speed limit and all the problems that caused. Maybe they could set up a CC Fed. law and then limit you to 5.5 rounds per month. Ramrod is on to something.

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    It's best to keep the Federal Government out of it. I never forget Ronald Reagan's remark:

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    Well said Ramrod! I think we need to focus getting our states to work together to accept each others permits. I realize this is a wet dream for new york, new jersey, california, and illinois. They way I see it I will avoid these states like the plague, and I wish most people would also. Maybe a boycott to send a message.

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    Ramrod and others here are correct in declining a federal license, but I think the state to state reciprocal laws need to be changed. Most likely way to accomplish this is by petitioning your state attorney to accept the other states. It will take a big push from cc people and from the legislative lobbying of GOA and NRA. Owning is already a constitutional right that should be nationally legal for all. I have no problem with the local jurisdiction issuing a permit by validating the legal status of an applicant through state and federal checks. I do not believe the right to carry should be denied by the descretions of any individual states political position or the pro/anti beliefs of the governing individuals.

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    As attractive as it is to wish to be able to carry in any state, I agree with RamRod that I don't want the federal government involved. We should all push the states for more reciprocity to help our cause while keeping it in control of the states.

    Training is only part of the issue and is used as an excuse to deny reciprocity in some cases. The obvious recent example is Nevada dropping Utah and Florida. This was entirely a money thing. If you look at the states Nevada honors, none of them offer a non-resident permit like Utah and Florida do. So, you either need to live in one of those states or get a Nevada non-resident permit. You can't get a non-resident permit that is honored in Nevada unless it is a Nevada permit.

    Given that, maybe one of the issues to be included in what we push the states for is that every state allow non-resident permits.
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