February 2nd, 2010 05:58 PM
Les Baer 45
N.R.A. Patron Life Member
February 2nd, 2010 05:59 PM
I am an avid Scuba Diver as well as shooter. The diving industry is a prime example of how effective self regulating can be. Your chances of being hurt bowling are higher than diving. More people die on the golf course every year than die from Scuba accidents. Granted, there are fewer divers than golfers, but as a percentage of the population of each sport, golfing is not as safe as diving. The only government regulation in the diving industry is the DOT regulation of compressed air. But in the vast majority of cases, you cannot have a tank filled, rent or buy life support equipment or join a dive charter unless you can show a valid certification card, and in many cases, proof of recent diving. This is self regulatory. The less government intervention, the more effective.
Originally Posted by Bkrazy
Unfortunately, it is most likely too late in the game to have the same self regulation for concealed carry permits.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups"
February 2nd, 2010 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by Rollo
Horrible idea. Why should I pay for your guns and ammo? Why should you pay for mine? Ridiculous.
I would also like to see a program where the government provides every American of age a rifle, a pistol and a shotgun along with a monthly allowance of practice ammo.
February 2nd, 2010 06:07 PM
I was thinking the same thing about some of these younger people that are taking tests, have had some trining for hunting & etc. At a class the other day the instructor was ready to flunk two 21 yr olds. I was just an observer and was ready to hit the floor a couple of times.
Yesterday I saw the instructor and he said he did flunk one of them. The other took some more lessons and passed the range/safety.
Also some of the new ones with CWL give me the feeling (for lack of better explanation) that they think they are now John Waynes and are going to save the world. They spend a little money on a weapon and then spends humongous amounts on holsters, trying to find the one that they are fastest with & etc.
So it is not age only.
February 2nd, 2010 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by BigStick
i travel in my car it is a right to do so....i as most americans do choose the auto as their mode of transportation and it is therefore fundamental to the right to travel....
what if you're indigent and cant walk or ride a bike and have no money to ride a bus or train etc...but you do have enough to travel in your car(taking the bus in philly is way more expensive than using a personal car and id assume it is anywhere else too...)
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February 2nd, 2010 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by alexcantslee
An important distinction needs to be made. The 2nd amendment gives us nothing.
We have certain unalienable rights inherent in our humanity. No government, constitution, or bill of rights can grant them to us, nor take them away.
We have the right to keep and bear arms, as does every citizen of every nation everywhere. Regardless of what laws are passed, amendments added or removed to the Constitution, or supreme court decisions, we, as humans, have an individual right to keep and bear arms.
The 2nd amendment is merely a declarative statement to the government, a reminder that we will not give up this right.
Regarding the OP's thoughts, Thomas Jefferson said, "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
Liberty is not perfect. There are inconveniences, deaths, and tragedies as a result of our liberty. But it's better than the alternative.
February 2nd, 2010 06:25 PM
Who would pay for it? What about the people that are opposed to gun ownership, would you force them to own a rifle? Would you force them to pay taxes to pay for other people's rifles, even though they are morally opposed to gun ownership?
Originally Posted by Rollo
Government intervention is not the answer, it is the problem.
February 2nd, 2010 06:48 PM
My feelings exactly. I'd also be willing to guess that unregulated breeding has caused more problems in this country than just about anything else but I support the right to even if it makes me cringe sometimes.
Originally Posted by dairycreek
Last edited by kpw; February 2nd, 2010 at 07:34 PM.
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February 2nd, 2010 06:52 PM
So the right to self defense doesn't include those who most need it?
I feel the same way. I had to watch a few senior citizens get their CPL here in Michigan after waving the muzzle around at everything, not being able to load a magazine themselves, or hit the target with any form of repeatability...I'd be terrified if I saw one of them draw in public. There is a better chance of them shooting their own leg than getting a shot at the BG...
February 2nd, 2010 07:04 PM
Not a good idea
I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL.
I am neither an attorney-at-law nor I do play one on television or on the internet. No one should assumes my opinion is legal advice.
Veni, Vidi, Velcro
February 2nd, 2010 07:17 PM
No, no please anything but that
I've heard the anti-RKBA folk speaking at Virginia Tech propose that all CHP holders should be required to meet the same level and frequency or proficiency testing as LEOs.
Disclaimer: The posts made by this member are only the members opinion, not a reflection on anyone else, nor the group, and should not be cause for anyone to get their undergarments wedged in an uncomfortable position.
February 2nd, 2010 07:22 PM
Every day I lose a little more faith in the human race.
Originally Posted by Rollo
Speak softly, and carry a big stick.
February 2nd, 2010 07:24 PM
Ohio's CCW requirements are good enough, classroom and two hours of shooting, done by NRA certified instructors at Miami Valley Shooting Grounds. No permit needed to own guns in the home to defend it. CCW is a heavy burden and a responsibility with legal and civil consquences.
February 2nd, 2010 07:51 PM
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February 2nd, 2010 08:01 PM
I personally would train anybody that asked for it and I believe a lot of gun shops could steer people to somebody that couyld teach them the basics,I've taught people with my own firearms and ammunition to further our sport and help them become armed citizens,I don't want the Gubment involved anymore than they already are
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