Arizona bill: No background check, no course for CCW

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    Arizona bill: No background check, no course for CCW

    Senate committee green lights looser rules for concealed weapons


    PHOENIX -- Arizona adults who want to carry a concealed weapon might not have to undergo a background check or any special training in the future.

    The Arizona Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday approved a measure that would allow exactly that. The vote was four to three along party lines.

    The bill is sponsored by Sen. Russell Pearce of Mesa. The Republican says the measure is designed preserve the constitutional right to bear arms. It's also meant to cut the legal red tape that many say prevents law-abiding people from protecting themselves.

    Opponents of the bill are concerned that allowing people to carry concealed weapons without a permit would lead to more violence.

    Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police lobbyist John Thomas says the measure would "take Arizona back into Wild-West carry with no consideration for officer safety."

    Right now it is legal to an adult to carry a gun as long as it's clearly visible.

    Those who want to carry concealed are required not only to have a permit, but to have that permit with them whenever they are carrying. The permit holder must also show the document to law-enforcement officers upon request.

    To get that permit, a person must undergo a minimum of eight hours of training by an authorized instructor and submit fingerprints.

    The bill on the table, SB1102, would remove that training requirement. It would also remove the mandate that a person carrying a concealed weapon also carry a CCW permit.

    According to the Department of Public Safety, processing time for permits is currently running at about 75 days. In addition, because Arizona is a "shall issue" state, permits cannot be denied as long as the applicant meets the statutory requirements.

    DPS statistics show that as of Jan. 31, there were nearly 150,000 active permits, more than 1,700 suspended permits and 1,002 revoked permits. More than 78,000 of those permits are held in Maricopa County.

    The largest single group of those with concealed-weapons permits is white men between the ages of 60 and 69, followed by white men between the ages of 50 and 59.

    The measure passed Monday, SB�1102, will go to the full Senate after a legal review. A House committee is slated to hear a similar bill on Wednesday.
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    That's good news. The way it should be. Have the detractors ever heard of Vermont and Alaska?
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    I think Az had a good thing going, Im not objected to background checks or training. I fear this just might give a green light to those we dont want to be armed in our comunity.
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    I completely agree with Mic. This could very well open up a can of worms.
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    I took the 8 hour course here in Yuma in Oct. and have my CCW. While I thought the course was a little weak in several areas, it at least covered the laws that apply to CC and covered SA. Shudder to think of folks carrying with no idea at all of the laws or their applications. This could get a lot of folks in trouble.

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    Ugh. Get with the liberty program, people. Could someone, anyone, please explain to me how mandatory training fits in with "...shall not be infringed." ?

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    Does that mean felons and criminals would be able to CCW legally?

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    Will there be blood flowing through the streets? People shooting at each other over parking spaces?

    Haven't we seen this over and over again...only to find out that the sun still rises in the east, the sky remains blue, and the world doesn't come to a thundering end because there isn't a training requirement....because there isn't a background check?

    Hint: bad guys aren't applying in droves to get a permit....they are illegally in possession of a weapon (by being a felon)...

    I guess I haven't heard about the mass shootings in VT and AK....or blood flowing through the streets...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post
    Does that mean felons and criminals would be able to CCW legally?
    No....they are already prohibited persons are not allowed to possess a firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post
    Does that mean felons and criminals would be able to CCW legally?
    Why would it? Is it legal for felons (plus lots of non-felon "criminals") to possess firearms in the first place? I'll answer my own question. No, it isn't.

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    I'm glad to see this bill being considered. The hissy-fit that Thomas is throwing proves that they have no ground to stand on:

    "You're going to encourage people that are not necessarily good citizens that they could break the law," he said. "Right now, we do believe that (the requirement for a permit) does stop people from carrying.

    Excuse-moi? Do he actually believe that a gangbanger from South Tucson won't shove his hot (in both senses) pistol into his waistband because he can't get a permit, and that is all that is stopping him?

    Moron.

    Michael Brick of the Yuma Coin and Gun Shop had better (and more accurate) things to say about the law:

    "The people who are criminals aren't going to obey the law to begin with. They're going to carry concealed without a permit. They're going to assault people. They're going to resist police officers all of this type stuff. They're criminals."

    Couldn't have said it better myself.

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    Well done Arizona!

    Quote Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post
    Does that mean felons and criminals would be able to CCW legally?

    Felons and criminal are not allowed by law to possess firearms, and for that reason I do not think the CCW part really matters in that case. And the other is, since when do felons and criminals respect the law? Do you really think that they care if they can legally carry a firearm or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw View Post
    That's good news. The way it should be. Have the detractors ever heard of Vermont and Alaska?
    Vermont does not issue Permit/Licenses to Carry a Concealed firearm. Vermont allows anyone
    who can legally own a firearm to carry it concealed without a permit of any kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post
    Does that mean felons and criminals would be able to CCW legally?
    Not legally, but that wouldn't stop them anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumper View Post
    Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police lobbyist John Thomas says the measure would "take Arizona back into Wild-West carry with no consideration for officer safety."
    I think the Association should replace this idiot.

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