This is a discussion on Fast draw, and why "reassess" in Mozambique drill? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by 10thmtn I'm not so sure about the pelvic bone shot. For one, it is a circle, so you would need to break ...
I'm from the school of thought that you "take your time, quickly." I'll fire fairly quickly but am extremely likely to make a good hit with the first shot.
I believe this pre-dates the incident listed above.
My interpretation of this "assessment" is that if the head is still there after two shots, put a third shot above the COM, because the COM might be armored, or the opponent might just be amped on something, from adrenaline to PCP, and will not be deterred by mere COM hits. My third shot will be directed at the base of the neck, though, not the head*. My fourth shot may or may not be directed at the lower face or eye socket area.
I read too many accounts of LEOs pouring hit after hit into the COM, without stopping the felon. Yes, those officers needed to reassess their point of aim! I hope I can have the calmness to to this of the need arises. My one and thus far only defensive shooting, which occurred on duty, required just the one shot.
*As I recall, the actual event in Mozambique that inspired the namesake drill involved the third shot hitting the neck, according to one source. BTW, being a long-time reader of Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, I do believe he named the technique. I avidly read of African colonial history, and never saw anything as reported by TedBeau. I say this respectfully of the members here, not meaning to be argumentative.
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waingro....the victim is sitting on a sofa injured...he is doubole tapped to the chest and after a long delay shot in the head in an intentional act to kill...not to stop....i'm guessing knowing yanq that it was used only as an example..as i know he is a bit more focused and careful to treat it as a necessity....
collateral...the subject double tapped and shot in the head has already been efeectively stopped and is falling backwards from the first shot....again...he is executed with a shot to the head...the first subject was taken down with 2 shots to the chest and no follow-up..the second killed with an intentional head shot...not a necessary head shot...
i really hope the many of you who believe an automatic double tap and head shot are necessary and enjoy posting your intention to utilize it are never involved in a real shooting and have to answer for your actions..i would be more inclined that it is keyboard bravado that makes people want to talk about how they will handle themselves than actual desire....plase be careful what you say out loud...
loved the limo scene....you just cant get enough of hollywood shoot scenes....
I'd disagree on the Collateral clip regarding execution. BG#1 has knife and is taken down. BG #2 is reaching in his waistband for an undetermined weapon. If it was a pistol he could still get off a shot going down. I'd think I'd go for the third shot in that case.
Remember if a GG is knocked down he would shoot from the ground, so too a BG. The thought something like this is seen as an execution (of course Cruise's character is a BG) scares men when I think of the potential jury pool. Given the furtive movement, known motivation and means I'd call it a clean shoot.
I know what I think I would do in an SD shooting situation, but since I have never been in one, I don't know for sure. One thing I do know, it I am sure not going to post it for all the world to read.
It took me about a month on this site to start discounting the vast majority of the bravado voiced herein. Posting on the Internet is great when you don't have to put up or shut up.i would be more inclined that it is keyboard bravado that makes people want to talk about how they will handle themselves than actual desire.
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein
Not sure how to take the reaction to my post, if it even a reaction to the post. My point is that you shoot to stop. I don't equate a head shot with execution. Once deadly force comes into play you do (and to your point God forbid the situation finds me that I hope to do the right thing) what it takes to stop somebody.
We need to educate people to avoid these misconceptions. If somebody shoots to slide lock did they shoot him too many times? How many cops had that BS levied against them? You are justified to shoot or your not. If there is a head wound it doesn't mean de facto evil intent.
Sorry if I'm passionate about this but our Marines fell into this trap with a JAG investigation because of all the Iraqi dead with head wounds. It was thought they were being executed. In reality most were snipers only exposing their heads and a little upper body. That's why I say let the facts of the matter speak for results rather than knee jerk reaction to a wound.
Of course I also believe if a criminal shoots at somebody it's attempted murder, not assault. No plus points for poor marksmanship.
Presentation from concealment and concealment safety are required in the NC concealed carry course. I cover this with plastic practice guns to assess the grip, stance,and finger out of the trigger (safety aspects); then at the range the student is required to draw slowly at first and quicker as they demonstrate safe practices. Finally, using a shot timer with a set PAR time of 4 sec, they will draw from concealment and address a target at 3 yds with two in the body, one in the head using only point shooting. This way they can assess their ability to handle a stress situation
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[QUOTE=msb45;1493775]My point is that you shoot to stop. I don't equate a head shot with execution.
Yes. Words of warning.... but our Marines fell into this trap with a JAG investigation because of all the Iraqi dead with head wounds. It was thought they were being executed. In reality most were snipers only exposing their heads and a little upper body.
If Marines, who should know better, can get trapped by such blind thinking, we should be extremely aware of just how bad it can be among people who have no clue whatsoever.
CYA -- Can You Articulate the situation, the justification, the actions you took? Falling back on training is fine, but there had better be a reason for the techniques you've decided to employ. Simply leaving it at "my training called for it" will be about as compelling, by itself, as being a Nazi guard and saying "it was my job and I was ordered to do it."
Know what you're doing, why you're doing it, and be able to explain it to people who probably won't have clue #1 about the distinctions in a fight, distinctions in training elements.