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This is a discussion on CC in a post office? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by bladenbullet would you feel better about your tax dollars if you walked in and there were 8 postal employees standing at the ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladenbullet View Post
    would you feel better about your tax dollars if you walked in and there were 8 postal employees standing at the desks with nothing to do and no line?...and feel free to be as literal as you need to....
    For the record: The US Postal Service operates entirely on money generated by the sale of postage and other services. It does not receive one penny of tax revenue from the Federal Government, and hasn't since the early 1980s, thanks to the passage of the Postal Reorganization Act. They are entirely self supporting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benthic View Post
    For the record: The US Postal Service operates entirely on money generated by the sale of postage and other services. It does not receive one penny of tax revenue from the Federal Government, and hasn't since the early 1980s, thanks to the passage of the Postal Reorganization Act. They are entirely self supporting.

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    From the GAO website:

    "Summary

    When Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act in December 2006, the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) had just completed fiscal year 2006 with its largest mail volume ever--213 billion pieces of mail and a net income of $900 million. Two years later, USPS's financial condition has deteriorated. Mail volume declined by a record 9.5 billion pieces (4.5 percent) in fiscal year 2008, leading to a loss of $2.8 billion--the second largest since 1971. According to USPS, this was largely due to declines in the economy, especially in the financial and housing sectors, as well as shifts in transactions, messages, and advertising from mail to electronic alternatives. Declining mail volume flattened revenues despite rate increases, while USPS's cost-cutting efforts were insufficient to offset the impact of declining mail volume and rising costs in fuel and cost-of-living allowances for postal employees. USPS's initial fiscal year 2009 budget expected that the turmoil in the economy would result in more mail volume decline and a loss of $3.0 billion. ..."

    How's that workin' out for you, Postal Service?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    From the GAO website:

    Summary
    When Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act in December 2006, the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) had just completed fiscal year 2006 with its largest mail volume ever--213 billion pieces of mail and a net income of $900 million. Two years later, USPS's financial condition has deteriorated. Mail volume declined by a record 9.5 billion pieces (4.5 percent) in fiscal year 2008, leading to a loss of $2.8 billion--the second largest since 1971. According to USPS, this was largely due to declines in the economy, especially in the financial and housing sectors, as well as shifts in transactions, messages, and advertising from mail to electronic alternatives. Declining mail volume flattened revenues despite rate increases, while USPS's cost-cutting efforts were insufficient to offset the impact of declining mail volume and rising costs in fuel and cost-of-living allowances for postal employees. USPS's initial fiscal year 2009 budget expected that the turmoil in the economy would result in more mail volume decline and a loss of $3.0 billion. ...

    How's that workin' out for you, Postal Service?
    I didn't say that they were a model of how to run a business, or that they were consistently profitable. I simply said that they didn't receive tax revenue, which is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benthic View Post
    I didn't say that they were a model of how to run a business, or that they were consistently profitable. I simply said that they didn't receive tax revenue, which is true.

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    See comments above. The entire postal infrastructure - the buildings, fleet vehicles, land, and other components were bought by taxpayers. It would nice to have a business where someone else buys you your buildings, the land they sit on, and everything you need, then tosses you the keys with no debt to service. They even have a national monopoly on basic postage.

    Even with that taxpayer-funded head start, they are flushing it all away.

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    Wow, another thread about the PO.

    Can I get someone to pass the and
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    See comments above. The entire postal infrastructure - the buildings, fleet vehicles, land, and other components were bought by taxpayers. It would nice to have a business where someone else buys you your buildings, the land they sit on, and everything you need, then tosses you the keys with no debt to service. They even have a national monopoly on basic postage.

    Even with that taxpayer-funded head start, they are flushing it all away.


    only because they repeatedly sued Lysand Spooner many times to make him stop competing and making them drive down cost etc....
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    The only case I can recall going to criminal court was against an employee. His supervisor contacted a postal inspector.

    How many local LEOs are going to arrest you on a Federal charge? I'm betting near zero.

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    Good point. There are still a few boxes on the streets though. But the feds may claim sovereignty over a 30ft radius from the box I just turn the flag up on my mailbox and use web postage to avoid the experience.
    I've seen mailboxes that said they were property of the US Govt. so I guess going to your mailbox armed is a federal crime.
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    In my crystal ball I see this as being challenged in light of Heller. Don't know when or where or by whom, but I would be curious as to how someone would try to describe a neighborhood post office as a "sensitive" area justifying such a reasonable restriction.......
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    The answer to this question would most likely be decided in court, so better to be safe then sorry and not carry there.

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    Here is a link to what a lawyer says about the subject:

    Question about concealed carry in a Post Office Robert Louis Williamson’s Weblog

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan0269 View Post
    Here is a link to what a lawyer says about the subject:

    Question about concealed carry in a Post Office Robert Louis Williamsonís Weblog
    He isn't even look at 39 CFR 232.1 which clearly prohibits carrying firearms on all PO property.
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    Before I acquired my CCW permit I was considering a mailbox at the local post office. My CCW permit changed that forever! I'm not taking the chance.
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