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This is a discussion on Bill To Allow Concealed Carry Without Permit Passes House(merged) within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by pax Guardian, Wasn't addressing you personally, so dunno why you decided I was. Was addressing everyone in the thread who was so ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax View Post
    Guardian,

    Wasn't addressing you personally, so dunno why you decided I was. Was addressing everyone in the thread who was so sure this was a bad idea.

    The reason I cite WA/OR for "training required" is because the two states are very similar in every other way: climate, demographics, politics, social attitudes. The same cannot be said of Austin and Anchorage. The only thing those two places have in common is city size, so too many variables to track that way.

    A more convincing argument would be to look at accidental shootings or criminal negligence involving firearms (which were my original point, not overall crime stats) in Alaska before and after the permitless carry law passed. That would eliminate the other, unrelated variables and get to the heart of the issue.

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    My apologies Pax, but those words used were responses used from the folks addressing my comments and were in posts' where my words were associated also, so naturally, in that respect, I tend to look at it as being intended for me. If they were not, you have my apologies.

    As for the others saying you can't compare or they don't say guns, well they don't say their not either. Didn't I say if I put up any proof, some of the the nay sayers would come right back and say, not enough or you can't use that or it doesn't matter, typical response, people are so predictable now a days and then you wonder why I say I'm worried a little.

    Oh well. My 2nd comments were totally ignored also, typical again of what I was referring to of reading.
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    Guardian,

    I asked for references about accidents and criminal negligence involving firearms in states with permitless carry.

    You came back with flat crime rates (not gun-crime rates, not accidental shooting rates, not criminal-negligence-with-gun rates, just flat crime rates).

    I happily and humbly admit you were right when you predicted that I would say those irrelevant statistics were irrelevant. You win that one for sure!

    Of course, if we wanted to compare apples to giraffes, the stats you cited would work just dandy.

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    Back to topic:
    Update (2/17) with Governor's comments.

    Bill loosening gun regulations move forward

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax View Post
    Guardian,

    I asked for references about accidents and criminal negligence involving firearms in states with permitless carry.

    You came back with flat crime rates (not gun-crime rates, not accidental shooting rates, not criminal-negligence-with-gun rates, just flat crime rates).

    I happily and humbly admit you were right when you predicted that I would say those irrelevant statistics were irrelevant. You win that one for sure!

    Of course, if we wanted to compare apples to giraffes, the stats you cited would work just dandy.

    pax

    Of course, since you were not addressing me as you stated, my flat stats were meant for those back on page 3 or 4 where the previous comments were asking for pure crime rates and didn't reference the difference in accidents or criminal negligence and any of that other neat stuff you mentioned. Over analysis is sometimes a dangerous thing.

    Sometimes simple statistics are the best when you just want to show one simple thing, it's worked for 49 years, I think I'll keep it that way.

    Have a great night.
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    wyo-man I ate ice cream at Dirty Sally's in Ten Sleep. I love your state and will be there again this summer. I wrote a letter and called your Attorney General Salzburg about Wyoming and South Carolina having a P------ contest about permits. I think Gov. Freudenthal and Bright have had a light blub experience.

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    Have a great night.
    You too. And thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guardian View Post
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    Sometimes simple statistics are the best when you just want to show one simple thing, it's worked for 49 years, I think I'll keep it that way.

    Have a great night.
    Show = "prove" a preconceived idea?

    OTOH, a comprehensive open-minded look at all the fact might be a better way to learn something that one might have missed, while looking for something to show that one is right.
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    I can't believe this argument has gone on this long.

    For the love of the gods, we are talking about a state that has one of if not the lowest population per sq. mile in the country. Mostly farm/ranch people who more than likely grew up with guns.

    If there ever was a place for a test run on a modern no permit to CC, here's the place.
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    I ate ice cream at Dirty Sally's in Ten Sleep.
    What a great little town. We spend a few days there every April for the first BPCR shoot of the season.
    I can't believe this argument has gone on this long.
    I have to second that sentiment.
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    oh wow thats so cool, i wished they would do that here in philly
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    Wy. no CFP needed?

    The Wyoming legislature is pushing through a bill that would not require a Wy. resident to have a permit to carry concealed. Not passed yet, but on its way.
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    If for no other reason, it's been enlightening to read this thread. Some real questions, some real answers.

    And a few that simply need to learn how to read.

    My take on this bill? All the Way for it. %100!!

    I just hope the "Nanny State" representatives from the NW corner and the SE corner don't muck it up for the rest of us. H***, I'm half afraid my own Senator from the center of the state may stab us in the back - again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zotter View Post
    I'm half afraid my own Senator from the center of the state may stab us in the back - again!
    It's what they do. It's in their nature.

    95% of their term they have a constituency (sp) of 1.
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