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This is a discussion on how do you carry your 1911 within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Cocked and locked is safer than any other method in my opinion. The advantage to the popular double action or striker fired pistols (and revolvers) ...

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    Cocked and locked is safer than any other method in my opinion.
    The advantage to the popular double action or striker fired pistols (and revolvers) is the LACK of a safety to manipulate.
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    1911 - Cocked - Locked - Ready to Rock! The way it was designed to be carried!
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    1 in chamber cocked and locked

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    FWIW the original M1911 had no safety on it so all this "It was designed to be carried cocked and locked" displays a wealth of ignorance on the part of the poster saying it.

    Most of the newer 1911s have a firing pin block or an inertia driven firing pin (Translation you can carry hammer down on a live chamber W/relative safety) And if you're not comfortable dropping the hammer you might want to consider a different pistol.

    Now, all of the above said I don't carry a 1911 because I don't want to worry about swiping the safety when I draw. I carry aCZ 75B hammer down on a live chamber. When I did carry a 1911 I carried it cocked and locked.

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    Both of my handguns are cocked and locked, simply because if there is a threat I may not have the time(or foresight) to arm it.
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    Cocked and Locked in a Pure Kustom holster

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    How well do you think he would have fared had he not been cocked and locked?

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    The half cock notch is a last-ditch safety, designed to catch the hammer if there us a failure of the sear or the full cock notch.

    The gun was not intended to be carried at half cock, and you may well be damaging your sear.

    That aside, the practice of lowering the hammer over a loaded chamber is unsound, and an invitation to a negligent discharge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    FWIW the original M1911 had no safety on it so all this "It was designed to be carried cocked and locked" displays a wealth of ignorance on the part of the poster saying it.

    Most of the newer 1911s have a firing pin block or an inertia driven firing pin (Translation you can carry hammer down on a live chamber W/relative safety) And if you're not comfortable dropping the hammer you might want to consider a different pistol.

    Now, all of the above said I don't carry a 1911 because I don't want to worry about swiping the safety when I draw. I carry aCZ 75B hammer down on a live chamber. When I did carry a 1911 I carried it cocked and locked.
    It wasn't a 1911 until it was adopted, so if it didn't have a thumb safety IT WASN'T A 1911

    This is 1910, not a 1911.


    So much for your claim of ignorance on others.

    Those who live in glass houses shouldn't call others names when they don't know jack squat. And if you're going to nitpick the details, you better have them all.

    Also, in order to drop the hammer, the firing pin safety will need to be deactivated during the process, sure it can be done, but one wrong slip and it's BOOM.

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    C&L in a owb with a thumb break.
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    Cocked and locked, the way it was designed to be carried.
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    There is no Military -10 anywhere that states that an M1911A1 is to be carried in condition one. The idea of carrying a 1911 C&L was an affectation of Jeff Cooper.

    JMB never intended his pistol to have a safety that was Uncle Sugar's idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    There is no Military -10 anywhere that states that an M1911A1 is to be carried in condition one.

    Oh really?

    FM23-35...Dated 1940.

    l. In campaign, when early use of the pistol is not fore-
    seen, it should be carried with a fully loaded magazine in
    the socket, chamber empty, hammer down. When early use
    of the pistol is probable, It should be carried loaded and
    locked in the holster or hand. In campaign, extra maga-
    zines should be carried fully loaded.
    m. When the pistol is carried In the holster loaded,
    cocked, and locked the butt should be rotated away from
    the body when drawing the pistol In order to avoid displacing
    the safety lock...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    JMB never intended his pistol to have a safety that was Uncle Sugar's idea.
    The M1910, M1911, M1911A1 had a grip safety from the very first.



    The thumb safety was requested by the Calvary. You are both right to an extent, the pistol (M1910) was not designed by JMB to be carried C&L. The US Calvary requested a safety of some sort be incorporated into the weapon system so that our mounted troopers would not have to let go of the reins to place the M1910 (M1911 w/ the safety) into a safe condition, Colt designers came up with the thumb safety. The C&L option was intended to be used only until the trooper was dismounted and could safely place the weapon in Condition 3 carry as called for by the military.

    So technically, the idea of the cock & locked condition as we call it, originated with the US Calvary and was implemented by Colt and the Ordnance Department. So, I would think if J.M.B. had originally intended for in to be carried cocked & locked, it would have had that feature to begin with and not by the later incorporation at the behest of the US Government? An argument could be made that the M-1911 was designed to be carried C&L, just not by J.M.B. I think "Cocked & Locked" is just a side benefit of John Moses Browning's and Colt's genius. "Cocked & Locked" is the safest way to carry a chambered 1911.


    Model 1910 with a thumb safety.


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    Model 1907 Military contract with a grip safety.


    (Sam Lisker collection)

    TM-9-1005-211-34 (pdf):
    Manual, M1911A1 Pistol, .45cal, 1964
    http://www.kmike.com/45/tm-9-1005-211-34.pdf
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    If you're going to carry a 1911 carry it cocked and locked. Just don't tell me that Gawd & John Moses Browning designed it that way

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