Cover garment - draw displacement.

Cover garment - draw displacement.

This is a discussion on Cover garment - draw displacement. within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Today's IDPA inspired this subject. It was not over warm and so instead of my usual vest as cover, had a longer and slightly more ...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 28

Thread: Cover garment - draw displacement.

  1. #1
    Assistant Administrator
    Array P95Carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    South West PA
    Posts
    25,484

    Cover garment - draw displacement.

    Today's IDPA inspired this subject. It was not over warm and so instead of my usual vest as cover, had a longer and slightly more voluminous light denim shirt on.

    Now draw is meant to be carried out with strong hand and not helped by weak - tho in fact in ideal circumstances this would apply.

    What I did notice was, as I swept the shirt back, a small part tended to sometimes stay at base of grip - thus preventing by strong down thrust from indexing the grip as usual - and potentially snagging shirt between hand and gun if not careful.

    The result was the need for a small grip adjustment prior to engaging targets - not good!. It has made me rethink cover garments such that the length/weight etc minimise this problem.

    My Smith and Alexander vest is great in this respect as it is a bit heavier and sweeps aside nicely. A heavier jacket too would I think work well. So fabric weight IMO is a factor.

    Just reflecting
    Chris - P95
    NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.

    "To own a gun and assume that you are armed
    is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."


    http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.


  2. #2
    Member Array V-fib's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    MICHIGAN
    Posts
    102

    Cool

    Thatís why I like Appendix carry with a snub. Even with a cover shirt I can have my hand in my pocket but my thumb can easily touch the grip of my 642 and I can draw very fast if needed. My .02
    livin in the woods...feelin mighty good

  3. #3
    Assistant Administrator
    Array P95Carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    South West PA
    Posts
    25,484
    Good point V-Fib - tho I find appendix just a tad too far fwd for my comfort, plus my 226 is a shade large! - my main thinking now will be the weight and ''sweepability'' of what I wear on top
    Chris - P95
    NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.

    "To own a gun and assume that you are armed
    is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."


    http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.

  4. #4
    Member Array LibertyGal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Posts
    127
    I wonder if sewing a metal washer at the bottom corner of the shirt front would give it enough extra weight to swing out of the way? Since that area is usually doubled over or hemmed, you could even slit it & drop a few washers/coins or whatever in the slit, then sew it shut to keep them in place.

    LibertyGal
    Requiring a license makes it illegal to do something that was lawful before the license was required.

  5. #5
    VIP Member Array swiftyjuan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Madera, CA
    Posts
    2,488
    In California in summer, a vest is an advertisement for a concealed carry. I have had good luck with the 5.11 tactical shirt, but occasionally carry with a t-shirt with an open shirt. To draw, I grasp the left side of the shirt and pull away from my body; that usually clears the pistol on the right side. Of course, it works fine in practice; never had to really draw in a real situation. Hope it works then!

  6. #6
    Senior Member Array older gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Florida Panhandle
    Posts
    725
    I recently got two very light weight vests from Sportsman's Guide. They cost $20 for two. They are some kind of nylon or rayon fabric and are pretty good for even hot weather. They have the large front pockets and I keep a spare mag on one side and a cell phone on the other. This gives weight to the botton edges and they sweep well with little effort. Since I use them mostly with my motorcycle, the vest is not out of place. The only drawback is that they do cause sweating on my upper back. I guess the fabric doesn't breath and it does lay on the back. However, this is not a big deal and I find I like this arrangement better than a long tailed shirt.

  7. #7
    Assistant Administrator
    Array P95Carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    South West PA
    Posts
    25,484
    Liberty Gal - yes some weight helps and I forgot to mention that my vest does have front pockets and some weight. cell in left and NAA mini in right - this is a major help.

    Heavier shirts like in winter also not a major problem as they have enough fabric weight and more of a hem.

    I still maintain the Smith vest is about the least obvious IMO for shouting carry, particularly when biking.
    Chris - P95
    NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.

    "To own a gun and assume that you are armed
    is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."


    http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.

  8. #8
    Distinguished Member Array Gunnutty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Arkansas
    Posts
    1,508
    Chris beat me to it but, I carry an extra mag in my vest pocket on my carry side. Helps to get the cover garment out of the way. Good point about sewing something on the hem of the shirt tho.

  9. #9
    Member Array HighVelocity's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    TEXAS
    Posts
    248
    I've found that a couple of loose rounds or car keys in the pocket are enough to get the vest moving beyond the point of interference.
    Another thing is the material the grips are made out of. If the gun has sticky rubber grips like Hogues, it can really cause a problem.

    Appendix carry is not an option in IDPA because the gun must be at or behind the centerline of the body. (3:00 or farther).

  10. #10
    Lead Moderator
    Array rocky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    MI
    Posts
    16,069
    I tend to pratice a bit with my cover garments , before wearing em out and about. The weight idea has merit, as windy days can be a pain holding down the cover garment.
    "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Thomas Jefferson


    Nemo Me Impune Lacesset

  11. #11
    Assistant Administrator
    Array P95Carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    South West PA
    Posts
    25,484
    Also a reminder - for those not doing it yet - the windy day ''elbow in to side'' against piece works very well to avoid blow open problems - and it can be totally discrete.
    Chris - P95
    NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.

    "To own a gun and assume that you are armed
    is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."


    http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.

  12. #12
    VIP Member
    Array Miggy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Miami-Dade, FL
    Posts
    6,258
    A Day in SoFla

    This is a friend and fellow IDPA shooter. He always wears a that ugly shirt you see in the video. The best I can describe his technique is that he flips/shoves the side of the shirt with enough force and movement that his hands ends up on top of the gun.

    One more thing. Additional weight on the gun side pocket or any added "transformation" or modification to make draw easier is illegal in IDPA. You get a FTDR.

    For everyday carry, you can have an ejection seat if you want
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
    Randy Cain.

    Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
    Signed: Me!

  13. #13
    Assistant Administrator
    Array P95Carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    South West PA
    Posts
    25,484
    For everyday carry, you can have an ejection seat if you want
    Where do I order that from Miggy?

    Ahh yes, on the vid - the rapid flick - that works well and is something I always feel needs practice. That was fast! Looked like fun too!
    Chris - P95
    NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.

    "To own a gun and assume that you are armed
    is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."


    http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.

  14. #14
    VIP Member
    Array Miggy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Miami-Dade, FL
    Posts
    6,258
    We have some twisted CoF designers in our club. I think this one was a Drive-By scenario using your ex-wife as cover
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
    Randy Cain.

    Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
    Signed: Me!

  15. #15
    Member Array Rocnerd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    S. Florida
    Posts
    211
    With the type of cover garment you describe I would probably go with the draw I use when carrying IWB. Grab shirt with both hands and pull up. Grab gun with strong hand as weak hand holds shirt out of the way. Draw as usual with weak hand meeting strong as you push gun out. A little slower than just being able to sweep the vest out of the way, but prevents the grip adjustment you describe and makes sure you grab all gun and not gun and clothing.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. How to conceal with your new Christmas cover garment.
    By nosights in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: November 30th, 2009, 12:11 PM
  2. Lets see your favorite cover garment
    By maddy345 in forum Defensive Carry Holsters & Carry Options
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: August 29th, 2009, 03:53 PM
  3. Found new cover garment.
    By BIG E in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: November 11th, 2007, 06:52 AM
  4. Is your cover garment compromised?
    By glembe in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 79
    Last Post: April 27th, 2007, 01:42 PM
  5. What do you use as a cover garment?
    By DM in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: August 4th, 2005, 04:45 PM

Search tags for this page

concealed carry cover garments

,

concealed cover garment how to draw from holster

Click on a term to search for related topics.