Is this the Industry Standard?

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    Is this the Industry Standard?

    Is it standard practice in the firearm industry to not allow loaded weapons inside the gun store??
    All of the shops that I have been to in town has a "no loaded weapons sign".
    You figure they would be a little more gun friendly.
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    The range I go to just asks that concealed weapons remain concealed...
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    This issue has been hashed out here quite a bit.

    When I first started to cc about a year ago, I was very confused.

    Here's what I learned: concealed is concealed.

    That sign is for any guns you are bringing in for returns, repair, valuation, trades, etc.

    Personally, I just go in and do my business. You don't announce your ccw, and go about your business. Don't ask. Don't tell.

    If I want my ccw-of-the-day repaired or need to get it out, I unload it before entering the store.

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    Its not a matter of being gun friendly, but a matter of adhering to the basic rules of gun safety. No gun shop wants the bad press of an A/D in their shop.
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    No, it's not an industry standard. Some stores do it because of insurance purposes. Some simply do not want to risk someone with unknown gun knowledge/skills and judgment from drawing a loaded weapon and possibly having a negligent discharge. Stores around here generally requires guns to be unloaded unless on the shooting range. If they don't have a range most are not posted one way or the other.
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    These are the people who should know a responsible gun owner is not the one you need to be concerned about.
    I can see some criminal, ha we can't go in this place its a no gun zone.

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    My store's sign says "Keep Concealed Weapons Concealed". When I go in I just throw on my sash and give my ccw badge a flash and I'm all good.
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    I was working a gun show once. A guy approached me and said he was in a gun club that did monthly get togethers of meetings and shooting. He said I should give them a try. Later in the conversation he said they only allowed guns on the range and not in the meetings. I asked him why and he said no guns, no accidents. I then asked what about people with CPL's and he replied no guns at all. At that point I politely ended the conversation and went on my way. The hypocrisy was unbelievable. Concealed does mean concealed. Most of the time the signs are meant for people bringing in guns in their bags and cases but the left of center gun people are out there.

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    What I am seeing is:
    Mostly nothing
    Unload guns before entering store. (Mostly pawn shops)
    Guns must be unloaded and cased, except CCW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landor View Post
    Later in the conversation he said they only allowed guns on the range and not in the meetings. I asked him why and he said no guns, no accidents. I then asked what about people with CPL's and he replied no guns at all. At that point I politely ended the conversation and went on my way. The hypocrisy was unbelievable. .

    I've read similar a few times...does this mean that CCers dont trust each other? Or that regular gun owners dont trust CCers? Or, other?

    I mean, how can we be fighting to keep our rights when hypocritically, we dont trust 'most other' people to carry guns? (Just one interpretation of Landor's conversation)
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    Here, some do; some don't.
    In some stores the owners/employees are armed; some are not.

    I think you have to look at it from the store's perspective. It's their house. Their house has a lot of valuables that others may want to take away. All of us know that there are a bunch of yahoos out there carying guns. I feel it's the store's right to ask that loaded firearms not be brought inside. And I can respect that. I think I can make it from the car to thier door without being mugged.

    Look at it this way: If you had a lot of desirable items in your house, would you let armed strangers nonchalantly come strolling through your front door? I bet not. And if a friend of mine asked me not to carry in his house, I wouldn't. I wouldn't pitch a fit and call off a perfectly good friendship.

    So the next time you see a "no-guns" sign on a business, if they have what you want, comply and buy. Or drive clear across town just so you can keep "packin'."

    I'd hate to get trespassed out of a perfectly good gun store because I was stubborn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sixball View Post
    These are the people who should know a responsible gun owner is not the one you need to be concerned about.
    I can see some criminal, ha we can't go in this place its a no gun zone.
    If all were responsible there wouldn't be an issue. I have had customers trying holsters with loaded weapons, lay their loaded weapons on the counter to "see if it will fit my holster" while looking at a new gun, want to trade and hand me a loaded firearm while telling me "it ain't loaded".

    Unfortunately, everyone who owns a firearm is not responsible with one.

    Our shop does not have a no loaded firearms policy but if the actions described above continue to get more frequent we may, unfortunately have to adopt one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post

    Here's what I learned: concealed is concealed.

    That sign is for any guns you are bringing in for returns, repair, valuation, trades, etc.

    Personally, I just go in and do my business. You don't announce your ccw, and go about your business. Don't ask. Don't tell.

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    This is a good policy in general for anyplace that you go-- excluding federal and state locations named in law. This is one reason why proper concealment is so important.

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    Cool

    It's the shop owner's property and he makes the rules for his own reasons. A property owner's "right". It's your right to go elsewhere.

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    I do not frequent gun shops that require CCW permit holders to disarm.
    There are plenty of other gun shops that merely ask that CC remain that way. I have no problem with that...it is what the law asks anyway.
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