List of states that I can ignore "NO CCW" signs"?

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    whether its legal or not, if a sign is up, they dont need my business.
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    In South Carolina there is only one that sign that must be followed. The legal sign must 8" wide by 12" tall it must have a (here's the most important part) 7" circle with slash over a gun symbol. All others signs can be ignored for someone with cwp. Schools gov't buildings are also off limits as well as resturants that serve alcohol. Tho the last part we are trying to change.

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    Missouri they don’t mean anything unless it is a Federal building, etc.

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    I agree with friesepferd 100%. If some place has a sign I make a point of going in and telling the manageer that I will never spend money there and make sure as many people as I can inform will never spend money there either.

    If someone has a sign up they are saying to you. "I don't want you in my place!" It doesn't matter to me if the sign is legal or not. I won't give them my business and let them know why. If it is a Chain I write and sometimes call the main office. When I go in Cabelas I always stop at the front desk and tell them, "Thank You for welcoming me." Every time I do that. They have a sign that says all guns coming into the store for trade or services must be checked at the front desk. Then under that it states: This does not apply to to Concealed Carry. That is a store I will always shop at. That is why I will never buy anything from the Bass Pro Shop. Their stores are posted.

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    I'm confused here. So if an establishment has a sign disallowing firearms as the wish and right of the property owner, what makes you think you have a right to disobey their rules on their property? You have no 2nd Amendment rights on someone else's property. If you disallowed firearms from visitors on your property, yet they carried anyway, how would you feel and what would you do about it? How is that any different from the business owner situation? Why is there this attitude that having a carry permit is also a license to trample over someone else's rights? I don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    #1. Signs mean nothing in Florida.

    #2. Guns are not tools used to difuse a situation.OMO
    I suppose we all ascribe different meanings to words like "defuse".
    If I see 2 guys at night that are apparently armed and approaching my car, and I draw to low ready to get them to back off, is this not "defusing" a situation?
    Anti-gunners seem to believe that if we just pass enough laws, we can have utopia. Unfortunately, utopia is NOT one of our choices.

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    In Pennsylvania IIRC, such signs can't legally prevent you from carrying a location, but if asked to leave you must or you'll be trespassing. IANAL either.

    I have never seen one, but if I did I would gladly spend my money or time somewhere else.
    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Trucker View Post
    Michigan also.
    Although take note that Michigans "Criminal Empowerment" (gun free zones) include Hospitals, Casinos, Sports Arenas, Day Cares, Churchs and places of worship, College classrooms and Dorms, and Entertainment facilities seating 2500 or more in addition to K-12 schools and bars that fall under the over 50% sales are alcohol.
    Also you can carry in the parking lot of all these provided you do not leave your vehicle, EXCEPT for the casinos.
    Confused yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubby45 View Post
    I'm confused here. So if an establishment has a sign disallowing firearms as the wish and right of the property owner, what makes you think you have a right to disobey their rules on their property? You have no 2nd Amendment rights on someone else's property. If you disallowed firearms from visitors on your property, yet they carried anyway, how would you feel and what would you do about it? How is that any different from the business owner situation? Why is there this attitude that having a carry permit is also a license to trample over someone else's rights? I don't get it.
    I'm confused, what is this in reference to? I haven't seen anybody in this thread say to ignore the sign, just that we wouldn't patronize that establishment. I would also state that according to the laws in many states, your 2nd amendment rights DO apply to other's properties. For example, in Florida, my employer can restrict me from carrying while on their property but CANNOT restrict me from bringing it in my vehicle and leaving it locked up there. Florida has determined that Personal Protection outweighs Property Owner rights. However, for your example posted, I can tell you that I do not carry in any house where I don't have the permission of the owner. I do believe it is common courtesy in their home.
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    Umm, look at the thread title. There's proof.

    Your 2nd Amendment rights, nor any of your Constitutional rights apply to you on my property. Period. The Constitution states which rights the government cannot infringe upon. I am not the government.

    Florida's law is in my opinion is not legal nor ethical. Trampling one's rights to uphold another's perceived right is horsecrap. I question the intelligence of those in power.
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    Tubby45,

    First off, you are right about the title (guess I missed that one). Again, my personal position seems to be similiar to yours and that is, if my firearm isn't welcome then I shouldn't bring it. As I stated before, I don't even bring it in somebody else's house without telling them and getting their permission, otherwise I lock it in my vehicle.

    On the 2nd Amendment comment, I both agree and disagree. I agree with basically everything that you said except that I believe that the right to protect myself and my family overrides property rights. This is a case where there are strong arguments each way and choosing one will deny the other.

    One last comment. It is nice to have a discussion like this with somebody that truly understands the Constitution and believes in upholding it. I'd be willing to bet that we could discuss 100 topics and agree on 98 of them (that means there is probably one more thing we'd disagree on....maybe football teams??).
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