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    Hello,

    I am new to this site and I was wondering if I could get a little help. I have a CHL license and I live in Texas and will be traveling in a few months. I know I have reciprocity in Missouri, but I can't figure out where to get a list of rules and regulations for that state. And then how to understand them so I"m not breaking any laws. Can someone please help. Also I was wondering for future vacations how I get state laws for how to properly carry a weapon in my vehicle in states that I cannot carry concealed weapon or do not have reciprocity in.

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    OK...You'll get all of the info you need at packing.org.

    CLICK HERE TO GO THERE

    On the top bar you will see license tool and also state ccw info

    click on those once you are on the site and click "I Agree" to the site disclaimer.

    Use those to view the Missouri carry laws and to see all of the states that your Texas LTC has HIGH reciprocity with.
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    OK...QKShooter Disclaimer you have to agree to Hold Me Harmless should any of the info below not be correct...but, unofficially these should be all of the states that your Texas would have HIGH reciprocity with.

    Check it out for yourself though.
    It's good practice.

    You should spend a lot of time on packing.org just reading.
    The site will help you to understand the carry laws State By State.

    1. Alaska
    Must carry permit by law: No
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH]

    2. Arizona
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    3. Arkansas
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    4. Colorado
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    5. Delaware
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH]

    6. Florida
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No ~ (?)
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NO-NONRES)

    7. Georgia
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    8. Idaho
    Must carry permit by law: No
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    9. Indiana
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    10. Kentucky
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    11. Louisiana
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: Yes
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    12. Michigan
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: Yes
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NO-NONRES)

    13. Mississippi
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH]

    14. Missouri
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    15. Montana
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    16. New Mexico
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    17. North Carolina
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: Yes
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    18. North Dakota
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    19. Oklahoma
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: Yes
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    20. Pennsylvania
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    21. South Carolina
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: Yes
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NO-NONRES)

    22. South Dakota
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    23. Tennessee
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    24. Texas
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: Yes
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    25. Utah
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: Yes
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    26. Vermont
    Must carry permit by law: No
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH]

    27. Virginia
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

    28. Wyoming
    Must carry permit by law: Yes
    Must notify officer when carrying: No
    Your permits which might be valid in this state (see legend):
    Texas [HIGH] (NONRES-OK)

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    First off welcome to the forum.

    This information does not constitute legal advice and if in doubt you should always contanct a qualified legal professional or the Attorney General of the state in question. This is the internet after all, and saying I got this advice from some guy on the internet may get you laughed straight into a cell. Now that is out of the way.

    When I travel I usually start with the state police website for the state(s) I'm visiting. If I cannot find links to the law or a FAQ I will go to the State Attorney General's site. You can also usually find an active state CCW organization by putting Missouri CCW or something similar in Google. For example, when I went to Michigan I actually chatted with a lawyer through their state CCW site and he kept me straight on everything.

    Some interesting things about Missouri. Full recognition of all permits issued by other states, resident or non-resident. No requirement to notify law enforcement you are carrying. The places you are not allowed to carry are pretty typical of most places (see below). Anyone not otherwise disqualified who is over 21 my have a loaded gun in their car with or without a permit.

    Here is a link to the state organization in Missouri. There are links to other resources there as well.

    http://www.moccw.org/

    Here is a link to the full text of the CCW law.

    http://www.house.state.mo.us/bills03...ly/HB0349T.HTM

    Here is the section of the law as it relates to where you cannot carry.

    20. A concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to this section or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize the person in whose name the permit or endorsement is issued to carry concealed firearms on or about his or her person or vehicle throughout the state. No driver's license or nondriver's license containing a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to this section or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize any person to carry concealed firearms into:

    (1) Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol office or station without the consent of the chief law enforcement officer in charge of that office or station. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the office or station shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

    (2) Within twenty-five feet of any polling place on any election day. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the polling place shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

    (3) The facility of any adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison or jail. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any adult, juvenile detention, or correctional institution, prison or jail shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

    (4) Any courthouse solely occupied by the circuit, appellate or supreme court, or any courtrooms, administrative offices, libraries or other rooms of any such court whether or not such court solely occupies the building in question. This subdivision shall also include, but not be limited to, any juvenile, family, drug, or other court offices, any room or office wherein any of the courts or offices listed in this subdivision are temporarily conducting any business within the jurisdiction of such courts or offices, and such other locations in such manner as may be specified by supreme court rule pursuant to subdivision (6) of this subsection. Nothing in this subdivision shall preclude those persons listed in subdivision (1) of subsection 2 of section 571.030 while within their jurisdiction and on duty, those persons listed in subdivisions (2) and (4) of subsection 2 of section 571.030, or such other persons who serve in a law enforcement capacity for a court as may be specified by supreme court rule pursuant to subdivision (6) of this subsection, from carrying a concealed firearm within any of the areas described in this subdivision. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any of the areas listed in this subdivision shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

    (5) Any meeting of the governing body of a unit of local government; or any meeting of the general assembly or a committee of the general assembly, except that nothing in this subdivision shall preclude a member of the body, holding a valid concealed carry endorsement from carrying a concealed firearm at a meeting of the body which he or she is a member. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

    (6) The general assembly, supreme court, county or municipality may by rule, administrative regulation, or ordinance, prohibit or limit the carrying of concealed firearms by endorsement holders in that portion of a building owned, leased or controlled by that unit of government. Any portion of a building in which the carrying of concealed firearms is prohibited or limited shall be clearly identified by signs posted at the entrance to the restricted area. The statute, rule or ordinance shall exempt any building used for public housing by private persons, highways or rest areas, firing ranges, and private dwellings owned, leased, or controlled by that unit of government from any restriction on the carrying or possession of a firearm. The statute, rule or ordinance shall not specify any criminal penalty for its violation but may specify that persons violating the statute, rule or ordinance may be denied entrance to the building, ordered to leave the building and if employees of the unit of government, be subjected to disciplinary measures for violation of the provisions of the statute, rule or ordinance. The provisions of this subdivision shall not apply to any other unit of government;

    (7) Any establishment licensed to dispense intoxicating liquor or nonintoxicating beer for consumption on the premises, which portion is primarily devoted to that purpose without the consent of the owner or manager. The provisions of this subdivision shall not apply to the licensee of said establishment. The provisions of this subdivision shall not apply to any bona fide restaurant open to the general public having dining facilities for not less than fifty persons and that receives at least fifty-one percent of its gross annual income from the dining facilities by the sale of food. This subdivision does not prohibit the possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the establishment and shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. Nothing in this subdivision authorizes any individual who has been issued a concealed carry endorsement to possess any firearm while intoxicated;

    (8) Any area of an airport to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the airport shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

    (9) Any place where the carrying of a firearm is prohibited by federal law;

    (10) Any higher education institution or elementary or secondary school facility without the consent of the governing body of the higher education institution or a school official or the district school board. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any higher education institution or elementary or secondary school facility shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

    (11) Any portion of a building used as a child care facility without the consent of the manager. Nothing in this subdivision shall prevent the operator of a child care facility in a family home from owning or possessing a firearm or a driver's license or nondriver's license containing a concealed carry endorsement;

    (12) Any riverboat gambling operation accessible by the public without the consent of the owner or manager pursuant to rules promulgated by the gaming commission. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of a riverboat gambling operation shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

    (13) Any gated area of an amusement park. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the amusement park shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

    (14) Any church or other place of religious worship without the consent of the minister or person or persons representing the religious organization that exercises control over the place of religious worship. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

    (15) Any private property whose owner has posted the premises as being off-limits to concealed firearms by means of one or more signs displayed in a conspicuous place of a minimum size of eleven inches by fourteen inches with the writing thereon in letters of not less than one inch. The owner, business or commercial lessee, manager of a private business enterprise, or any other organization, entity, or person may prohibit persons holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying concealed firearms on the premises and may prohibit employees, not authorized by the employer, holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying concealed firearms on the property of the employer. If the building or the premises are open to the public, the employer of the business enterprise shall post signs on or about the premises if carrying a concealed firearm is prohibited. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. An employer may prohibit employees or other persons holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying a concealed firearm in vehicles owned by the employer;

    (16) Any sports arena or stadium with a seating capacity of five thousand or more. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

    (17) Any hospital accessible by the public. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of a hospital shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises.
    Enjoy your travels and stay safe.
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    Welcome to the site. Plenty of info around here.
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    Whoa QK! In Florida you DO have to notify the officer that you're carrying! I have my lines memorized....Florida also offers a nonresident permit. I also gather that packing.org is no longer reliable. The guy who started it now has another site IIRC http://www.handgunlaw.us/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier
    ...I also gather that packing.org is no longer reliable. The guy who started it now has another site IIRC http://www.handgunlaw.us/
    JMO, but packing.org is no less or more reliable than it has been for the past six years, when the site started relying on state administrators to maintain the data for each state. The owner of handgunlaw is one of a number of people who worked on developing packing.org, but isn't "the" originator of the packing.org site. I gather there was a philosophical difference of opinion on shifting packing.org to a user-moderated site. One needs to evaluate critically any source on the web to decide how trustworthy the site may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier
    Whoa QK! In Florida you DO have to notify the officer that you're carrying! I have my lines memorized....Florida also offers a nonresident permit. I also gather that packing.org is no longer reliable. The guy who started it now has another site IIRC http://www.handgunlaw.us/
    Negative, sir. You are not obligated to notify a law enforcement officer if you are carrying.

    It is probably the smart thing to do, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier
    Whoa QK! In Florida you DO have to notify the officer that you're carrying! I have my lines memorized....Florida also offers a nonresident permit. I also gather that packing.org is no longer reliable. The guy who started it now has another site IIRC http://www.handgunlaw.us/
    That is incorrect. There is no requirement to notify LE in Florida.
    Good luck.
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    Packing.org not up to Date!!!!!!

    Packing.org is not up to date. over 60% of the reciprocity maps are incorrect. Over 10 different reciprocity agreements are not listed on the different states. TX, CO, ND, PA, AK to just mention a few.

    PA page states it is OK to carry in Court Houses but that law was over turned and you can not carry in Court Houses.

    They still have Kansas and Nebraska listed as non issue states. Off limits areas on the CA and CT page are not up to date. I can keep going on but you get the picture. How do I know all of this. I was the person who added 90+% of the info to the pages at Packing.org since Packing.org came on line. Yes there was a difference when the new user moderated chat came on line. You can now find all kinds of foul language, racists slurs and other garbage all over the chat board. I didn't want to be associated with that.

    Steve Aikens ask me to assist him with a web site that provided up to date CCW info on all the states and I agreed. Handgunlaw.us was born and it is up to date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Slider
    Packing.org is not up to date. over 60% of the reciprocity maps are incorrect. Over 10 different reciprocity agreements are not listed on the different states. TX, CO, ND, PA, AK to just mention a few.

    PA page states it is OK to carry in Court Houses but that law was over turned and you can not carry in Court Houses.

    They still have Kansas and Nebraska listed as non issue states. Off limits areas on the CA and CT page are not up to date. I can keep going on but you get the picture. How do I know all of this. I was the person who added 90+% of the info to the pages at Packing.org since Packing.org came on line. Yes there was a difference when the new user moderated chat came on line. You can now find all kinds of foul language, racists slurs and other garbage all over the chat board. I didn't want to be associated with that.

    Steve Aikens ask me to assist him with a web site that provided up to date CCW info on all the states and I agreed. Handgunlaw.us was born and it is up to date.
    Gary,

    Thanks for the update!

    Over the years, I have noticed some errors on packing.org, but the concept of looking in one place is excellent. Since things do change and keeping everything updated is a humongous task, the best thing to always do is look for the links to the State Gov (in question) website for specific statutes/wording to ensure that what you do is legal.

    Thanks for the effort. I will take a look at your new site.

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    ca scools courts but they will give you a lock box at the court house or are suposed to lol and bar that are mainly a bar and the bording side of the airport or so i understand you dont have to notify an offacer if your carrying unless he asks dont think i missed any but other californians might chime in with some i missed

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    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis...eciprocity.htm

    remember to check that site for up-to-date Texas reciprocity info, etc.
    I've too found that packing.org doesn't update often enough
    I agree with LenS, check out the state gov't website when you plan to travel to a specific state, and possibly contact the state police organization also
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    Question

    www.handgunlaw.us May be an additional resource. The site looks good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Slider
    Packing.org is not up to date... They still have Kansas and Nebraska listed as non issue states.
    I noted and appreciated your work on PDO and quickly appreciated your new website too---I check it before going elsewhere. Good work!

    I agree that there is a lot of obsolete data on PDO, particularly the reciprocity maps. Regarding PDO showing KS and NE as non-issue states, however, I think that is technically correct. True, shall-issue legislation has been enacted in both states, but it has not taken effect. So they are not shall-issue for a short while longer.

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