March 3rd, 2010 07:04 PM
Winter/Summer. Comfort or Security?
I've read a lot of threads were for the most, forumites agree that the "same personal sidearm" is carried ALL year. Some talk about sweat, finish durability (i.e. rust), comfort, FAMILIARIZATION with your choice of handgun.
My question is. Does anyone think about your caliber of choice stopping power?. Does your trusty 9mm will work the same against a thug in T shirt and shorts, as opposed to the same thug dressed in layers?. Leather on top of denim, on top of a flannel, on top of a T shirt?.
Personally my choices do vary some. We all know that a trip to the mail box is not the same as an all day carry situation. My ALL year choice is a full size 1911. Either my TRP or my TRS. This is what I carry all day, all year, and is my basic EDC. When convinient, (and legal, at least in my home state) I carry a BUG.
Fall and winter is another 1911, but smaller. A commander slide on officers frame ( Sig Sauer 1911 C3 ).
In the summer my BUG is a J frame model 60-14 Lady Smith .357Mag, or my 638-2 .38+P. Specially in the woods. I like to carry a few shot shells for snakes, and what not.
Speaking of woods I have my woods EDCs. For cold weather, and hunting season my choice is a G20C, and in the summer is a two tone Sig P229 in .357Sig.
If I think that I will be exposed to an "Orange" condition situation. Night traveling, bumps in the night, etc. I go for my mini hand cannons. That's why my 1911s, and my G20C, or P229 stay loaded ALL YEAR AROUND!.
March 3rd, 2010 08:58 PM
Same gun, same ammo same clothing (almost)...year-round...
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March 3rd, 2010 09:11 PM
Like retsupt, same weapon, same load year around. CZ75 P-06, .40 cal 165gr Federal HST.
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March 3rd, 2010 09:13 PM
I carry the same gun year round. But in the winter I can carry a larger capacity round mag in it because of my jacket.
Don't quote me on this but I've heard a 9mm is better against heavier clothing because it doesn't expand as rapidly as a larger caliber.
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March 3rd, 2010 10:11 PM
Same guns and same ammo
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March 3rd, 2010 10:33 PM
I carry the same firearm all year in the same holster, Pure Kustom Black Ops Pro that can be worn with a T-shirt in the summer (IWB) or with a coat in the winter (OWB). The only difference is ammo, for the OP reason of clothing. In the winter, I use a different JHP that has some coating over top the hollow tip that prevents the clothing from interfering with expansion and thus eliminating any or all over penetration. In the summer, its just normal JHP's.
March 4th, 2010 12:23 AM
Pretty much. Denim and leather are not effective body armor. Could expansion be affected, well, possibly a little but either way you are going to need those CNS shots to stop an attack immediately anyway.
Originally Posted by bubbahoundog
I haven't done testing personally, but I have full confidence that my carry rounds (gold dot 9mm 124+p) will penetrate and expand sufficiently regardless of the clothing being worn by the attacker. I would have the same confidence with any other high quality carry round in a major defensive caliber.
IMO there are about a million other things to worry about that are more important than the potential for an attacker wearing heavy clothing.
If you are worried about over penetration because of innocents downrange, you should reposition before taking the shot anyway.
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March 4th, 2010 12:44 AM
If stopping power is your main consideration, you shouldn't carry a handgun at all. Even the best handgun calibers are not truly effective man-stoppers. I am curious as to how you are going to get that 18 1/2" barreled pistol gripped Remington 870 12 gauge to hide in a IWB holster underneath the T-Shirt. I am afraid that you are going to have to learn how to walk a little different.
Most of the rest of us will probably stick with carrying a weapon that fits our climate and dress codes.
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March 4th, 2010 07:38 AM
The Hornady Critical Defense rounds are designed for better penetration and then expansion. From basic tests it appears that it functions for the most part the way it is designed. I've been carrying it in my small 9mm and snub 38s. I've got numerous carry guns depending on situation, attire, carry method, etc. I've had no issues with it.
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March 4th, 2010 10:19 AM
kimber ultra aegis II (3" 9mm 1911) with gold dot shot barrel +p
all the time. Only differance is in the winter I carry more mags b/c its easier to
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March 4th, 2010 10:52 AM
March 4th, 2010 11:07 AM
My attire varies with the occasion. I do have my favorites though.
March 4th, 2010 01:32 PM
I live in Phoenix, where there are two seasons: summer and road construction. There is little reason to worry about too much clothing here! However, I carry Hornady Critical Defense just in case...
March 4th, 2010 01:38 PM
Sig p229 with Winchester Bonded pdx1 and or Ruger sp101 in the winter.
Colt Government 380 and or Ruger sp101 in the summer.
March 4th, 2010 01:52 PM
You left out the August Monsoon season
Originally Posted by MinistrMalic
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