No CC at gun shows

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I've solved the CC carry at all gun shows...I quit going about 6-7 years ago...no more overpriced guns, ammo..., although I do miss those nice CCW badges.
    +2 and Amen to that
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    I agree with everything goawayfarm and DEP50 mentions. Im glad for it myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emrah View Post
    I agree. I fail to see how gun safety rules would all of a sudden be thrown out at a gun show. What's the difference if you carry there or carry in a crowded mall? Either way if you have a ND you are going to hit someone.

    I realize that in a gun show guns are out, being displayed, played with, etc. But doesn't that throw "our" whole theory - everybody being armed in society makes a it a safer society - out the window?

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    No, it most certainly does not throw anything out the window. Your phrasing this in a black or white context. This is no perfect world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryM View Post
    We've found the enemy and it's us. If we don't trust ourselves why should Walmart?
    If one cannot be mature and responsible carrying a gun at a gun show he should not have a CHL.

    Don't bother to give me the nonsense that a gun show is different and we need or want to show out guns to see if the holster fits, etc.
    If you cannot be trusted then you should not carry.

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    If I own a building or rent space to sell my stuff I may not want to pay Hundreds or Thousands of extra dollars for insurance so that some total unknown stranger can carry their gun for an hour or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalfan View Post
    All of the gun shows I have been to and seen ads for prohibit carrying loaded weapons of any type into the show. Usually you have to check them at the door and they put a ziptie thru the slide or bolt. I have seens many carry in this way if they are trying to sell them on their own. Some even put signs on their back stating what they have for sale. I believe the reason for no loaded weapons has to do with accidents when someone picks up a gun and racks the slide and pulls the trigger. There have been accidents before like this.


    That's no accident, if the gun is loaded and they pull the trigger, it's stupidity.
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    Its just like TV, if you dont like the program turn the dang channel.
    Don't like the rules dont go to the dang gun show!

    BTW if they allowed cc I dang sure wouldnt go! every freakin nut and his gang banger cousin goes to those shows.

    No thanks.
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    As mentioned, this has nothing to do with the show organizers. It is an insurance issue. There would never be a single gun show without the insurance, EVER. They have to do as their policy states.

    But lets just say when I go all they do is ask. Not under oath right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I've solved the CC carry at all gun shows...I quit going about 6-7 years ago...no more overpriced guns, ammo..., although I do miss those nice CCW badges.

    Amen to that! Add the entry fee to the gun you're buying. Here in N.VA, you'll save 10% or more at Virginia Arms, Silver Eagle Group, or nearly any other place. I go to look, have fun, maybe buy ammo and/or other supplies. Will never buy a gun at a show I can get locally for less!

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    I'm on board with DEP50 and Goawayfarm here. This is what I wrote in another thread to explain this:

    Quote Originally Posted by 9MMare View Post
    Going about normal daily life...I dont see people's guns and they arent using them or even thinking about them for the most part. The guns are 'not in play.'

    When I go to the range, I am often concerned when I see how people are handling their guns...often not according to the 4 rules for instance. With many guns being handled all the time, the odds of an accident go up proportionally, just like the difference between driving along a side street and trying to negotiate rush hour traffic when many fools are zipping in and out of lanes.

    I see a gun show as similar if people are carrying. Lots of chatting, showing off guns, trying holsters, bringing them out, putting them away, and very few 'safe' directions in which to point a gun when you bring it out to drop the magazine, etc. (Just for a few examples). Lots of distractions, lots of opportunities to forget if a gun is loaded or unloaded. Lots of guns in play, so the odds of accidents goes up. If loaded guns were allowed, I would need to seriously consider how often I attended.

    Another questionable venue for me is sporting events and stadiums. People have too often demonstrated severely poor judgement and restraint in such environs. I think it's perfectly fine for a venue to decide to search people and forbid guns if they choose. And it would be my decision if I would attend such an event.

    So for me....I'm all for no permits, but believe that there are reasonable instances where restricting guns (or loaded guns) exists.

    btw....try comparing a 'fender bender' to a 'negligent discharge' and an injury accident with being shot. How many of us have experienced those vehicle incidents in our lifetimes?
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    Because it's an advertised event, wouldn't it then be considered a public gathering? To me it seems like it fits the definition which at least for the state of Georgia makes it off limits for CC anyway.
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    I've been to enough gun shows to see that most people don't practice muzzle discipline etc.
    Had a show where a vendor bought a shotgun off a guy and put it out for sale on his table,my buddy was walking by looking and noticed sumpin shiny in the shell tube,he picked the gun up and shucked out 4 live 12 gauge shells,the seller bought crapped his pants,had someone else picked that gun up and racked the slide and pulled the trigger,I woulda been running out to buy stock in fruit of the loom.
    We had another gun show where a vendor had a ND with the gun he was carrying,nobody was hit thank god but he was told to pack up and never come back.I surrender my 1911 at the door and let them zip tie it,but I got a knife and 2 reloads on me
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    I don't always feel comfortable around people handling weapons, but i trust them until i see them mishandling....now i don't trust any of y'all to shoot an apple off my head !!!!!
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    I just came from a gun show here in El Paso Texas and youre authorized to CC even at the gun show. When you enter there is just a sign that states, "Carrying Concealed? Keep it concealed!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by goawayfarm View Post
    This has been beat to death:

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...gun-shows.html

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...-gunshows.html

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...your-guns.html

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...how-carry.html

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...how-carry.html

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...-friendly.html


    I DON'T have a problem with unloading to go into a gun show. These venues are PRIVATE PROPERTY & the owner's wishes should be respected. I'm very PRO_GUN, but I don't let people I don't know, or who handle firearms carelessly, carry on my property!

    I go to a lot of these shows & have had numerous firearms pointed at me! Most are just by people NOT paying attention to where the muzzle is pointed....OTHERS have actually aimed the firearm, using myself or other patrons to 'check out the sights'. If you haven't had this happen to you at a gun show.....You either weren't paying attention (walking around in WHITE) or you've never been to a gun show! A couple of people I have even 'dressed down' & embarrassed them when they do it. I had a guy who picked up a rifle with a scope & laser, who then shouldered the rifle & used my chest as a target from several isles away! After a severe berating by myself, he left the show...WITHOUT a purchase!

    Not all attendees at the shows are as careful as they should be.......

    There have been numerous NEGLIGENT DISCHARGES at gun shows, even when they ask that ALL weapons be unloaded. I am glad they tell EVERYBODY to unload. There are way to many numb skulls with poor firearms skills.....& I don't want to get accidentally shot!

    As to the people who say that they won't unload for ANY reason at a gun show......I have ONE piece of advice (if you decide to disregard the rules):

    DON'T FOR ANY REASON REMOVE YOUR CARRY ARM WHILE AT A SHOW..... Not even to try the next, new fangled, wizz-bang holster or latest Tom Swiftie laser that you have been trying to find. ....because I don't want you accidentally shooting me!

    If EVERYBODY were attentive to this, there would be NO NEGLIGENT DISCHARGES at these shows.

    If you're worried about being 'disarmed' while in the show, keep this in mind: If some miscreant, BG or just plain dumb a$$ starts shooting ....I'm hitting the deck, because all of the other nimrods who DIDN'T unload are going to be going for their guns....even the guys who unloaded are going to be trying to load theirs.......& how many more NEGLIGENT DISCHARGES are going to occur? I have better than average shooting skills, but in a close, densely occupied show venue.....How can you be sure of where your rounds fired at a potential BG are going? How many innocents are YOU going to hit in the process of stopping a BG?.....YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL ROUNDS YOU FIRE!
    Agreed. Just left Kansas gun show myself. I carried my SP101 UNLOADED in holster. If...IF I absolutly without a doubt no question about it had to I could load it quickly. But at a gun show only the stupidest person in the entire world would attempt to commit a crime. Not real worried about criminals at gun shows. Ignorant, unsafe, careless people worry me the most. However I've never been to a gunshow where a firearm was discharged. I've seen a bunch of people get cut by knives lying around though.

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    I was at a gun show I was working with a dealer the next booth to me some how a round end in a gun then the gun went off, no one got hurt but a $3,000 knife had a bullet in the handle of it. He was escort to the office then he pack up.

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