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Do you trust OTHER people W/ guns?

This is a discussion on Do you trust OTHER people W/ guns? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by maddyfish Well, Vermont seems pretty safe. So, in general yes I do. ^^^^YEP^^^^^^^^^^ As long as they are NOT, certifiably insane; A ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddyfish View Post
    Well, Vermont seems pretty safe. So, in general yes I do.
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    As long as they are NOT, certifiably insane;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Do you trust other people W/ guns?

    Frequently I see threads here about gun shops that restrict carry or gun shows or the NRA convention. It reminds me of a Pastor at a church I used to attend that used to ask “Do you hate sin?” and everyone would raise their hand then he’d ask “Do you hate your sin?’ not quite as enthusiast a response.

    Anyway I thought I’d throw this out; In general do you trust other people, people that you don’t know or people that do things that, while legal, you disagree with , with a gun?

    How would you feel if the entire country did away W/ permits and just allowed Vermont carry? Would you feel more or less safe?
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    No. I generally distrust other people handling guns around me. Being at relatives homes being showed their new guns, I've been sweeped with a gun. If I tell them to treat the gun as it always loaded and never point it at something you don't want to destroy, they just say it's not loaded. At the gun shop I see customers handling guns even more poorly. At the range I sometimes wish they had a military sergeant yelling at people to put their gun down and step away from the line when I see them doing things unsafe. For the most part, people in my opinion are poorly trained to handle guns safely and tend to cause accidents with "unloaded" guns. People having guns is generally good imo, but I don't want them handling their weapons around me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronny View Post
    People having guns is generally good imo, but I don't want them handling their weapons around me.
    Not sure what to think about this statement. I think it sums up what alot of people seem to think. Guns for me, but not for thee. I think we need to check our elitism at the door. IMO.

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    yes and no. I believe that every one around me, except for those who have jumped through the hoops of getting themselves convicted of a violent felony, has the god given right to protect themselves. I do not however trust anyone handling firearms around me until they have proven to me that they are to be trusted - what that means is that any time any one I dont know is found to be packing heat, I watch them like a hawk until they prove themselves responsible or not.
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    To add to that... For me the issue of trusting people has more to do with how I need to act around them than if they should be carrying at all. I think AK and Vermont are headed in the right direction - but there really shouldn't be as many restrictions on carrying as there are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce130 View Post
    Not sure what to think about this statement. I think it sums up what alot of people seem to think. Guns for me, but not for thee. I think we need to check our elitism at the door. IMO.

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    Quote:
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    People having guns is generally good imo, but I don't want them handling their weapons around me.

    Originally posted by Deuce130
    Not sure what to think about this statement. I think it sums up what alot of people seem to think. Guns for me, but not for thee. I think we need to check our elitism at the door. IMO.

    I dont think anyone has said "guns for me, but not for thee". I used my knife example earlier but I will use a gun one for this illustration.

    Lets say you go to a gun exhibition. You see there is a trick shooter there and he is doing a damn fine job shooting things out of the air, splitting cards, ect. Now he has come to his final act. He wants a volunteer. He is going to shoot an apple off the top of the volunteers head. Would you volunteer?
    Do you trust this man enough to put your life in his hands?
    Isnt this the same as not trusting the guy next to you at the range?
    Did anyone say they didnt want the guy in my example to have a gun?
    Has anyone here stated they dont want other people to have the right to have a gun?
    I would expect you to not trust me and my weapon upon first meeting me as I wouldnt trust you on our first encounter.

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    As difficult a question to answer as it is to frame. Blind trust of strangers is Condition White. Trusting a stranger's gun handling skills without proof is, I think, an act of faith - a faith I do not share.

    I think there is a minimal expectation we extend to strangers around us, that everyone will do the right thing, as we go about our public business. We expect people to stop at stop lights, and that people will not pick our pockets as we walk down the sidewalk in close proximity, that cashiers will be honest in making change. This social expectation is not the same as trust. I still watch to be certain that everyone actually stops at the intersection. I take measures to thwart pickpockets. I count my change. You might characterize it as benign skepticism. It isn't suspicious distrust, and it isn't paranoia, but it also isn't unwarranted trust.

    There is an expectation that anyone carrying a gun will act responsibly, but do I trust that they will? No, just as I doubt anyone else trusts me without knowing me from Adam.

    For me, trust is earned, not assumed. We practice drawing, SA, shot placement, etc., precisely because we want to be prepared for that unexpected moment when someone violates that social expectation. Carry is a right, and whether I think someone should or should not be carrying is irrelevant. My job is to take the necessary steps to safeguard myself and my family.
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    I understand the thought behind what you ask, but I think you have at least three questions in there:

    First, and not necessarily in order, you ask "Do you trust other people?". Well, I believe society as a whole is inherently sane, so yes I trust other people. BUT, you have your bad cells; this is why all of us in this forum CC for self defense
    purposes.

    Second, you ask, "Do you trust other people with guns?". Don't know if you call it "trust" but I am comfortable knowing others around me are armed and ready to defend me should I become incapacitated for some reason. Which leads to the last question:

    "Do you trust people that do things you disagree with, with a gun?". Simple answer: NO!! Displaying a weapon publicly when it is not necesary is totally irresponsible and shoud not be tolerated by anyone....
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    Originally posted by Jet Doc "Do you trust people that do things you disagree with, with a gun?". Simple answer: NO!! Displaying a weapon publicly when it is not necesary is totally irresponsible and shoud not be tolerated by anyone....
    So, even though OC is legal in 43 states you're willing to make the decision as to what's acceptable or how I should carry for me?

    I think you just hit the exact attitude I'm trying to describe

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    We are all living at the mercy of others in a civilized society. If someone decides to harm you with a firearm, there isn’t a whole lot you can do about it. Sure, if you’re armed and have the benefit of notice, you may be able to react in time but aside from that, it’s pretty much a crapshoot.
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    Other than a select few, I don't trust anyone. Why should being in possession of a firearm make any difference? I presume anyone up to no good has a firearm.

    I drive like I don't trust other people with cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    Depends on what is happening and how someone else is handling their gun.

    Yes, I would like a no permit needed system. Bad guys carry without a permit
    anyway.
    Much agreed.
    While I don't trust people as far as I can throw em, but Bad Guys will and DO carry guns illegally, drive without license, and use illegal drugs. I was only 14yrs old when the Brady bill was inacted but I do remember the debates even at that young age. Did that stop criminals from owning guns? How many busineses have been robbed while proudly posting their "Rob me" sticker?
    Even if all states did away with licenses only a handfull of people would start carrying. It's not like every Dick Jane and Harry would be "Pack'n".
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    As a quick tangent.
    why does it matter if we trust these other people? Unless you have an intent and wish to make it harder to carry then we must simply live with the fact that strangers around us are/might be armed. There is really nothing you can do to control law abiding citizens decisions to carry. EXCEPT: support more laws, regulations, and candidates that will make it more difficult to carry. if this is your belief then I would say that the question is relevant to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexHassin View Post
    As a quick tangent.
    why does it matter if we trust these other people? Unless you have an intent and wish to make it harder to carry then we must simply live with the fact that strangers around us are/might be armed. There is really nothing you can do to control law abiding citizens decisions to carry. EXCEPT: support more laws, regulations, and candidates that will make it more difficult to carry. if this is your belief then I would say that the question is relevant to you.
    Bingo!

    Hence, the reaction of many of us, IMHO.

    It was not so much the actual question I was reacting to, as it was the implications the Antis could draw from it.

    Not quite, "Have you quite beating your wife, yet?" But, close, IMHO.
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