A message from my University

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    You can pretty well bet that what is reported is only the tip of the iceburg. I work at a university and know that a lot more goes on than is ever reported
    So true. i am an EMT at my University and i can atest from my short time on the force. they look for any excuse not to report violence to the student comunity. they are alwase afraid that it will spark fear and sutch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IWLAFART View Post
    If I were a college student and old enough to obtain a CCW permit I would do so. I would also carry on campus (concealed of course). If I was attacked I would use deadly force. Better to be tried by 12 than be carried by six. IMHO
    I'll agree with that, as long as Ohio Law does not prohibit it. School policy, you risk expulsion, state law you risk prison and permanent loss of RKBA.
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    Just my $0.02 worth but school administrators and the police will only in the rarest cases advocate carrying a gun. They assume too much liability if someone innocent gets shot. Recently a student was shot for no apparent reason at the U. of MN. Same politically correct BS was sent out to the students. You have a choice to make as a student and eventually an employee of a company that does not allow carry. Obey the rules, run the risk of being attacked and not having a means of defense. Carry some non-lethal defense tool. Carry concealed and deal with the risk. You can feel good in the knowledge that if you are attacked and killed your school or employer will send a very nice arrangement of flowers to your funeral. Your choice.
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    I had a carry permit the last year and a half I was in college. At first I figured the policy was not to allow that, but then I figured... nobody even noticed the gigantic WWII flap holster I was wearing for Empty Holster Week (Sponsored by SCCC), so I started carrying anyway.

    If you choose to carry on campus, you have to be absolutely discreet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOhioan View Post
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    I second the Go Blue!

    When I was in college (at UofM), similar crimes happened on our campus too. Collegiate loyalties aside, I think your best bet is to find a group who feels similarly to you. It took the Michigan State Legislature to get UofM to allow concealed carry on campus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcon View Post
    I second the Go Blue!

    When I was in college (at UofM), similar crimes happened on our campus too. Collegiate loyalties aside, I think your best bet is to find a group who feels similarly to you. It took the Michigan State Legislature to get UofM to allow concealed carry on campus.

    Stay safe, Buckeye. We'll see you around.
    ?????? When did U of M start letting CPL holders carry on campus. Last I read they didn't. ??
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    Trying not to be off topic here or to support the anti-gun university stance in Ohio and across America... that said, I find it very encouraging that this university is responding to these instances of crime on campus by

    1. openly and proactively notifying the student community imediately regarding the very real and proven threats to you,
    2. supporting the women who have already been attacked,
    3. recommending to and promising support of any students who may in the future be attacked on campus to come forward with that information immediately.

    Way back in the ice age when I was a student in America (no finger pointing), this kind of response by a University was unheard of. Prevailing University policies across the land in my day were to:
    1. Cover it up.
    2. Cover it up.
    3. Cover it up.
    4. Encourage the victims and their families to Cover it up and Let the University handle any necessary disciplinary action
    5. Cover it up.

    In my day, the idea was why should the University be victimized and politicized and Jerry Springer-ized because of victimization of students?

    This is very heartening to me to hear - that Ohio State University is not interested in pursuing the whole Pretend It Didn't Happen thing that campus culture has dictated in the past.

    Everything I'm saying has, unfortunately, zip to do with the ability of students to arm and protect themselves. But it does have to do with what I would call a colossal shift towards the responsible on the part of the administration. At least of this University.

    My 2c which are likely haypennies and therefore even more worthless if that's possible.
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    Try and work within the system as much as possible, the ideas will always be easier then the solutions. You can start out small, their are many avenues to take that can students can take to protect themselves from "don't walk alone" if possible to using non-lethal defensive devices to protect themselves (considering not everyone is going to get armed with a gun for one thing), but might be more willing to carry some type of defensive device.

    Just a start here, go to the Campus Police and Administration or Student Council and get the ball rolling with good sound suggestions, don't go all gun issue on them right away or you will have failed, they tune everything else out.
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    Take an unarmed self defense class like chinese kenpo[street fighting] which concentrates on soft tissue body targets and violent strikes. Then carry a good pepper spray which can keep the attacker off of you and can be used at a distance. That way you are protected and still legal. Deadly force is not always the best option, and self defense does not always need to claim a human life. There are woman in my kenpo classes that can hurt you so bad so quickly that you may wish you were dead when they were finished. When I first became an LEO, we had to be sprayed with pepper spray in order to qualify to carry and use it. Honestly, if I had my choice, I think I would rather be shot in the foot than go thru that again. I was burning for hours after being sprayed, and was totally incapacitated. To this day I avoid spicy foods! I think for someone in your position, or anyone really, these are absolutley legit and adequate options, especially inlight of the consequences of carrying a firearm, which could get you in hot water. Remember, your brain is the primary weapon.

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    Universities are required to report crimes. Databases exist to track such things. Some Universities have gotten into hot water for failing to report. I believe this is a Fed law?

    Anyway, I just had a bit of an epiphany into the minds of our opposition:

    Universities (and many other groups/leaders) do not advocate the use of firearms to thwart off violent crime for one big big reason: They've never thought of it! Of course they've thought of having the Police around, and of course the Police have guns and all sorts of other cool things, but they've never made the connection that the Police Officer is an ARMED CITIZEN.
    No, rather, the Police Officer is AUTHORITY, an AGENT of the STATE, someone who PROTECTS US and PUTS BAD PEOPLE IN JAIL!

    Our wonderful leaders don't carry guns around. Oh they might have one or two at home, but they would NEVER bring such a thing to a SCHOOL! Heavens no! No, no, guns are for home defense, and hopefully the mere sight of a gun will scare anyone away! Especially when they're not even loaded. SAFETY, you know, is of prime importance. A loaded gun is even more dangerous than an unloaded gun!

    And the poor students aren't at home when they're assaulted now, are they? Nooo, they're out and about in the common areas of a respected institution of higher learning, a place of SAFETY for goodness sakes!

    Neither do our respected leaders even KNOW any one who would carry a gun in public. The horror! We are civilized, after all. And the bad people live so far away! And everyone has a cell phone, they can call 911. That's the best thing to do. The Police will come right away. They can even track us through GPS, so we don't even have to tell them where we are!

    No, no, telling students, most of whom are not mature or old enough to even own a gun, would be a recipe for disaster. We've got to get them through their education first, so they can see that guns are not necessary.

    I've never needed a gun. Sure I got mugged once, and my house was broken into, but I wasn't injured and I had insurance. I did OK. Guns just aren't necessary. All they do is contribute to violence. And once you are shot, the injury is there. At least with Mace, it can be washed away.

    We must find civilized ways of combating crime. We must help our students use what they already have and what they can easily acquire. We must teach them how to be safe here in our safe environment.
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    Being a grad of OSU (although many years ago) I have a pretty good idea of your concerns. While Gordon Gee is probably one of the best presidents in the history of the University (quiet a contrast to Karen A-hole Brook, who was booed by 104,000 fans when her picture was displayed on the Jumbotron) and Kirwin, he is still pretty much anti firearms, as is the Board of Regents, Directors etc. My daughter lived in an apartment at 13th and Indianola, and then the KD house on 15th. I insisted that she had several things on her person when ever she left her apartment or the KD house - a hat pin in the lapel of her coat, her spray, an inexpensive assisted opening knife and a police whistle, along with her cell phone. She never needed any of that in an emergency situation, and you can bet I'm glad she's living in rural Ohio now.

    Unfortunately, as much as I love the Scarlet and Gray (Go Blue and take Ann Arbor with you), I don't see the policy with regards to being armed changed in the near future.

    The options are pretty much non-lethal, no firearms and increased awareness, travel in groups and take advantage of the Student Escort Services and know the locations of as many of the blue phones as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOhioan View Post
    The chances of someone seeing me and reporting me is just too high.
    Ohioan:

    Two Steps:

    How about immediately obtaining a folding self defense knife. It will be less noticable and far less controversial even if it is reported.

    As was suggested, seek out organizations in Ohio that could help (maybe Buckeye Firearms Subscribe to our FREE Pro-Gun Newsletter)

    And if you are going to take on the Beaurocrats of the College you will need a LOT of names on petitions supporting your position (both students and locals. You may want to start with training and arming willing professors before you try to convince them to arm students.

    Also, use the student escort service ALL THE TIME! If enough students call for escorts, the college will have to hire more escorts. At some point they will stop the hiring. You keep calling for escorts, and then start writing in the school and local newspapers how students are following the suggestions suggested by management but services are not provided and you need protection from thugs and dirtbags, etc.

    Maybe suggest professors escort students to their rooms or autos.

    It is going to be a long haul, but if you never start, you will never achieve safety.

    Stay safe,

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    Quote Originally Posted by twocan View Post
    Ohioan:

    Two Steps:

    How about immediately obtaining a folding self defense knife. It will be less noticable and far less controversial even if it is reported.

    As was suggested, seek out organizations in Ohio that could help (maybe Buckeye Firearms Subscribe to our FREE Pro-Gun Newsletter)

    And if you are going to take on the Beaurocrats of the College you will need a LOT of names on petitions supporting your position (both students and locals. You may want to start with training and arming willing professors before you try to convince them to arm students.

    Also, use the student escort service ALL THE TIME! If enough students call for escorts, the college will have to hire more escorts. At some point they will stop the hiring. You keep calling for escorts, and then start writing in the school and local newspapers how students are following the suggestions suggested by management but services are not provided and you need protection from thugs and dirtbags, etc.

    Maybe suggest professors escort students to their rooms or autos.

    It is going to be a long haul, but if you never start, you will never achieve safety.

    Stay safe,

    Capt. Art
    Art, I have and always carry my knife and flashlight on me around campus at all times. And I am lookver thating into SFCC, however the escort service is a good idea and I will look into it.

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    Thought you guys would be interested, a shooting just days after these rapes.

    Suspect kills self in Ohio State shooting, police say - CNN.com





    (CNN) -- A man apparently angry over a poor performance evaluation entered an Ohio State University maintenance building early Tuesday and opened fire, killing a manager before turning the gun on himself, police said.

    Larry Wallington, 48, a building services manager at the OSU Maintenance Building, was pronounced dead at the scene of the 3:30 a.m. ET shooting, Ohio State University Police Chief Paul Denton said. Wallington was a 10-year university employee, he said.

    Authorities found suspect Nathaniel Brown, 51, a custodial worker, suffering from a self-inflicted gunshot at the scene, Denton said. He was transported to the Ohio State University Medical Center, where he was dead on arrival.

    Police believe Brown -- a probational employee since October who had received a poor performance review -- entered the building dressed in dark clothing carrying two handguns and began firing into an office suite, Denton said. Officials would not say when Brown received the review, who gave it to him or provide further details, citing the ongoing investigation.

    A third person, Henry Butler, 60, an operations shift leader, also was shot. He was in stable condition at the OSU Medical Center, Denton said.



    Police earlier Tuesday had said that two people were wounded and one killed and that the alleged shooter was in custody.

    About a half-dozen employees were at the building when the shooting occurred, and some witnessed it, authorities said.

    Ohio State's Web site said the building where the shooting occurred was secured, and some traffic restrictions remained in place Tuesday morning. "The university continues normal operations," the school said. "Classes will be held and normal work schedules are in effect."

    E-mail alerts were sent to students warning them about the shooting, the university said.

    The shooting comes after the university issued e-mail alerts last week about two alleged sexual assaults and an attempted assault on campus, Ohio State's student newspaper reported.

    The student newspaper, The Lantern, published an article Sunday saying that students were questioning the effectiveness of such e-mail alerts after three serious crimes last week.

    Students are allowed to choose if they want to receive the e-mail alerts. On the campus of 50,000-plus students, a little more than 2,600 people receive the e-mails, police told the student paper.

    A university committee was scheduled to meet this week to determine if changes needed to be made to the notification system, The Lantern reported.

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    I wish my college had had a Student Escort Service.


    Oh, nevermind.

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