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What do you do when you go somewhere you don't know if guns are allowed?

This is a discussion on What do you do when you go somewhere you don't know if guns are allowed? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; If they post, I don't go in..... or shop there. If I was with a friend, I would take a seat and tell them go ...

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    If they post, I don't go in..... or shop there. If I was with a friend, I would take a seat and tell them go ahead, I would wait for them. The Malls here are are all posted, so that's easy to know here.... just don't go to them.


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    What do you do when you go somewhere you don't know if guns are allowed?

    I just pull it out, wave it around and say loudly, "HEY! IS THIS THING ALLOWED IN HERE?????"

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    just stay concealed sheep don't notice anything other than what they are doing. You'd be suprised how much people do not notice!

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    signs hold no weight in GA and i dont look for them
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    What do you do if you go somewhere you don't know whether or not pants are allowed?

    If they don't explicitly point out their wishes, I just assume that it's not important enough to worry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikiec View Post
    it is the owners/managements right to not have guns in his establishment.
    Which right would that be?


    Traditional principles of property rights include:

    1. control of the use of the property
    2. the right to any benefit from the property (examples: mining rights and rent)
    3. a right to transfer or sell the property
    4. a right to exclude others from the property.

    Traditional property rights do not include:

    1. uses that unreasonably interfere with the property rights of another private party (the right of quiet enjoyment) [See Nuisance]
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    The only "right" someone has is to ask someone to leave. Ohio took this one step further to make gun buster signs legally binding meaning " big brother " can step in to slap the wrist of someone carrying legally onto a property an owner doesn't want guns on.

    More food for thought. Many stores LEASE the property. Unlike residential rental property that have certain default rights, businesses that lease don't necessarily have the same rights. I.E. the property owner could put a section in the lease about allowing CCW, or If the business puts up a gun buster sign and the owner tells them to take it down then there isn't a darn thing the business owner can do.

    Ohio already revised the law about allowing residents in apartment buildings to carry even if the landlord whines about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
    Shut up, dress well, hide the gun and go on with life...
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    Quote Originally Posted by razor02097
    The only "right" someone has is to ask someone to leave.
    Yep. ^^

    Folks are getting laws as related to 'trespass' at a store confused.
    If asked to leave then you leave. if you don't leave upon being asked, then you are now trespassing.

    As related to carry into NPE type policy stores such as say IKEA, if you are carrying and are not 'outed' then well there has been no problem to report (!).
    Akin to the one about a tree falling in the woods unheard and unseen.
    But if you are by some means outed then that is when the clock begins to tick and if you are asked/told to leave the store then well you leave....And go on with your life. Refuse to leave though and then that is when legal issue becomes a problem for you.

    As to states that have 30-06 type signage allowance AND statute support for violation as being enforceable (a minority of states) then as to this thread and the OPs query there is no question. The answer is in those specific states self evident...and a no brainer. Obey the law or suffer consequences.

    Otherwise outside of said states store policies are not law.
    Store policies are wishes & desires.
    There is a huge difference between the two.

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    Here in SC the signs must be placed on EVERY entrance and of LEGAL size. If not then they are worthless. And the few places I have seen in SC (including banks) are not of legal size. So I just ignore them.
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    Ignore them and go on with your life, because as we all know that signs will stop criminals from carrying in that store or building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikiec View Post
    Here is my thought on the sign issue. Whether binding or not, it is the owners/managements right to not have guns in his establishment. The sign means the same to me as being asked to leave if they find out I am carrying. It is my obligation to not enter those businesses. If I am with friends and we go to dinner and a sign is posted, I tell them I'm going someplace else. Sometimes my friends follow other times not.

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    Good for you that you feel in that way. Unfortunately, I doubt that the owners/managements will consider that it is their obligation to visit your or your family’s grave just because you did not enter their business when carrying a firearm. In any case, the only important is that you are happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
    Shut up, dress well, hide the gun and go on with life...
    Good approach!
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    In ohio, the law states that the sign must be in plain, visible sight. As far as I am concerned I have never seen one of these signs...

    They have to prove in court that you saw it, with a punishment of a $200 fine... what municipality is going to spend the money proving you saw a sign so they can get $200 dollars...

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    I don't have my ccw yet, but if I were in that situation I'd probably just say that I wanted to check out a different store and would catch up with them after they were done there.
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