Bullet Expansion Pictures 14 different Types (Picture Heavy)

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    Nice! There are many write-ups in magazines that don't show as many clear comparisons as you have put together here. It would truly be great to know the corresponding depth of penetration for each instance, alongside the expansion.

    It's nice to see so little difference amongst many of the "premium" defensive loads on the market. Like many people, I have used many of the ones listed in your tests. It's nice to see that the "whatever works best in your gun" advice still has good traction.
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    Thank you everyone for the replies. Like I said i did the testing over the course of almost a year. Probably 6 different trips out to the desert. I just finally used a better camera to take some more detailed pictures. I have posted other threads on this forum and Glock Talk with some penetration numbers and measurements of the bullets.

    4-layers of denim is not meant to represent someone actually wearing 4-layers of denim, its meant to test a bullets tendency to plugging in heavy clothing. 4-layers of denim is a tough test for any JHP. My heavy clothing test consisted of 1 layer of cotton sweater over 1 layer cotton t-shirt over 2-layers of denim. That all being said I live in Phoenix so most of the year typically bad guy wear is pretty light.

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    very nice indeed!

    any chance you could test the Hornady Critical Defense ammo..thanks!

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    Nice work! That was a better comparison than I have seen in popular shooting publications!! A+
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbonMatrix View Post
    any chance you could test the Hornady Critical Defense ammo..thanks!
    Yeah ... and DoubleTap's Bonded Defense JHP 124gr +P? How about that one, huh?

    And the Federal Hydra-Shok Tactical JHP 124gr +P+?

    And ...

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    Very good comparison!

    I noticed a propensity for the Ranger-T to have jacket separation. Was this common on all of your tests?
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    That's the most impressive report I've ever seen.

    I didn't see a single bullet I'd care to be in front of!


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    Boy, you've done one major league job. Thank for all your time and dollars spent. It just shows to go you that a well placed shot will do the BG any time even if you're using that poor stepsister of a 9mm round.


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    Thank you Sir....best report I've ever seen on this forum. Nicely done!
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    Nicely done. I liked the addition of the pork bones.

    Were they ribs? Hmmm, I'm getting hungry now
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    Very cool results to see! Got any .40 to try out??

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    any chance you could test the Hornady Critical Defense ammo
    I only test rounds I have considered using in my guns. The only 115gr load i trust is 115+P DPX. From what I have seen, i see no reason to get Critical Defense over HST, Ranger-T, and even Gold Dot. Sure it doesn't plug but it still only expands to around .55-.60 and only penetrates maybe 12". I rather use HST that can expand to .75 and penetrate 12". I would rather spend 50 cents a round for those than $1 a round for Critical defense.

    I noticed a propensity for the Ranger-T to have jacket separation. Was this common on all of your tests?
    I did notice that the Ranger-T doesn't hold on to its core well compared to other brands. Not as bad as Golden Saber though. The 45 Ranger-T didn't have separation but they did usually have slippage were you can see the core coming forward off the jacket. 9mm was a different story, when fired into water jugs I had 1 were the core penetrated 4 water jugs and was lost, the jacket recovered in the 3rd jug. The other water jug test I recovered both together in the 3rd jug. The 127+P+ did poorly vs 4-layers of denim and heavy clothing. I only recovered 1 of 5 shots. The jacket penetrated around 8" into wet newsprint and the core penetrated another 2". The rest completely penetrated over 14" of newsprint and didn't look like they expanded at all from the holes they left.

    Were they ribs? Hmmm, I'm getting hungry no
    Yes they were baby back ribs....it was a shame to shoot them as they are so tasty...

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