Winchester Supreme Elite 124g +p 9mm

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    Winchester Supreme Elite 124g +p 9mm

    Does anyone have any experience with this ammo? I have a glock 19, I figure it will run just fine in my gun but is it a decent round to use for self defense?

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    It'll work fine.
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    It'll work very good in a Glock since Glocks are +p rated for LEO, I prefer the Cor Bon 125 gr +p over the Winchester and Gold Dot +p ammo cuz its more accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpencerB View Post
    Does anyone have any experience with this ammo? I have a glock 19, I figure it will run just fine in my gun but is it a decent round to use for self defense?
    Winchester doesn't publish the @muzzle performance figures fully, so it is a bit difficult to compare to a half dozen other top cartridges.

    The Winchester S9MMPDB Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1, in 9mm JHP 124gr +P has the following specs:

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester's web pages
    Energy - 396 ft-lbs @ muzzle; 330 ft-lbs @ 50yds.
    Velocity - ? fps @ muzzle; 1095 fps @ 50yds
    Though this post on GunForAll.com suggests it's 1200 fps and 396 ft-lbs from the muzzle: click. And MidwayUSA reports the same thing: click.

    The FBI is apparently using this as their duty load.

    Many people are speaking the words "Winchester PDX1" in the same breath as "Speer GD."

    I would certainly give it a look. As compared to the DoubleTap JHP Bonded Defense (Speer GD) 9mm JHP 124gr +P cartridge that I use, it's got ~100 ft-lbs and a couple hundred FPS poorer performance. How that translates into a target body? Don't know.

    My own personal minimums for a 9mm JHP defensive round are: > 1200 fps, > 400 ft-lbs.

    Before considering for my own carry in a 3-4" bbl primary pistol, I'd want to perform some basic comparison tests, in water jugs, ballistic jell and perhaps a few country hams. It would have to outperform the DoubleTap JHP 9mm 124gr +P, and outperform the Federal Tactical Hydra-Shok 9mm JHP 124gr +P+. But that's just me.

    But, based on the essential specs, the design of the bullet, the FBI's blessing, it would seem to be a better choice than most others out there. I wouldn't want to get struck by it.
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