Are todays .38 +P loads closer to .357 loads?

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    Would you say the difference is about the same as a 9mm+p and a .357 Sig round?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajgranda View Post
    Thanks, but the S&W 315 NG is a 6rd K frame .38 +P (24oz). The Model 386 is a 7 shot .357 L frame (24.5oz) both 2.5" barrels.
    Of course, sorry, mistyped that! Meant to say the 386, with practice I think it's a great choice; a friend has one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark IL NM View Post
    Of course, sorry, mistyped that! Meant to say the 386, with practice I think it's a great choice; a friend has one.
    Thanks, does he CCW it? OWB of course. I just feel I will be short changing myself with the 315, even though it makes the better CCW (by a small margin).
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    You can find various velocities and Speer's website.
    Speer Ammo - Ballistics Tables

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    I say get the 357. That way you have the best of both, and can settle the debate in your mind with one trip to the range after you fire a cylinder of each. But in answer to your question, no 38+p is not quite 357 mag. But, the 38spl now is way ahead of what it was, and can do the job as well now as it did 40 years ago.

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    I just checked a chart----no they're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajgranda View Post
    Thanks, does he CCW it? OWB of course. I just feel I will be short changing myself with the 315, even though it makes the better CCW (by a small margin).
    Sometimes, some kind of Galco holster I think, he's a big guy, so no problem for him ... but he lives in Albuquerque, and given the weather like a lot of guys there tends to just carry a .380 in pocket holster when a concealment garment seems like too much. Wouldn't be near enough for me, but to each his own ... not in the budget now, but you reminded me how much I'd like the 386!

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    No, .357 Magnum is a distinct step up from .38 Special +P.

    One has to wonder if today's factory .357 Magnum ammunition is close to .357 Magnum load capabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajgranda View Post
    I remember having to shot a large rabid raccoon 5x center mass to bring him down.
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    I seem to recall that someone here posted about taking a bunch of shots on a raccoon with a 45 before it was finished off. The truth is raccoons and most other critters are tougher than they appear.

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    I've shot lots of 'coons and I never found them to be that tough. One has to be skeptical of shot placement in these instances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    I just checked a chart----no they're not.
    True, but the difference is a lot less out of a snub barrel.

    In a large-frame revolver with a 5" barrel, there is no question which I'd prefer.

    But the slight additional velocity that the .357 magnum gives out of a 1&7/8" barrel in a lightweight snubbie, just isn't worth the cost of massive muzzle flash (aka wasted energy) and extra difficulty to shoot well and place the second shot quickly, IMO.

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    Thanks, I decided on the Model 386 and I can experiment with many different loads then. That 7th rd is nice also. Thanks for all your feedback.
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    I recently had the same delimma. I have a S&W mod 60 J frame, which I used to shoot 357 with not to much difficulty. Then I began playing with 9mm auto's. Didn't shoot the smith for several months. I went to the range yesterday with Golden Sabers. Probably one of the lighter 357 loads out there respected for self defense. I was shocked at how incapable I was to shoot all five rounds without flinging.

    I have too many 9mm's to cut back on shooting them so I've opted to researching 38+P to see if I can find a load I can shoot comfortably.

    I noticed on Buffalo Bore he has a 357 round that he says is not as brutal as everyone elses. So I'm going to test 357 BB low recoil, BB 38+P+ semi wad cutter hollow points 381 ftlbs of energy, and I have some old Cor Bon 38+P+ SWCHP, but I don't see them on their inventory any more. And I have Cor Bon 115 gr 38 +P+. If these don't work out, frankly I may have to eliminate the 60 from my inventory. I have heavier 357's, the 686 plus and 686 and 620.

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    Absolutely not. Most 38 sp +P is 300 ft lbs of energy or less. Some goes up to 350 at the max.

    Common loadings for a .357 mag are much higher. One load I use for hunting is over 700 ft lbs of energy and it is not at the absolute max.

    Can followup shots be slower with full blown .357 mag, yes, but with the right gun and shooter they should not be much different. Heavy loads of 38 +P in a lightweight revolver might not be fast on followup and are definately not fun to shoot in some cases.

    I choose a .357, the wife chooses a gun 38 capable of +P. My choice, my gun, her choice her gun.
    Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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