This is a discussion on HD Shotgun Ammo within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by xdglocker +1 to that. I personally know of a woman who took buck to the chest and shoulder @ 25ft and was ...
For my 20 gauge Remington 870 Express Youth model: 2-3/4" 20 gauge, 1oz slug.
If you're going to run slugs in a shotgun, wouldn't you be better off with a carbine?
More ammo capacity
Faster follow-up shots
Seems to me that running slugs is giving up the greatest advantage of the shotgun - the delivery of multiple, simultaneous wound tracks.
Why turn a shotgun into a rifle when dealing with close range threats?
PS - Gabe Suarez tells of a perp who was shot through-and-through with a slug. The perp not only survived - he evaded police, and turned himself in the next day with his attorney. Shot placement still matters - slug, buckshot, carbine, or handgun - doesn't matter. You still need to hit something vital.
00 buck here. I use the low recoil type, just because that is what I practice with.
Is a low recoil load a whole bunch less effective, maybe I am using flawed logic on that and should go with non-low-recoil. ??
1. Reduce the number of pellets, but keep the velocity the same as a standard load. This means less mass shot out the muzzle, which reduces recoil.
2. Keep the same number of pellets, but reduce the velocity. This means each pellet will have less momentum than a standard load, which will negatively effect penetration to some degree.
I would go with option 1 if I was interested in low recoil loads.
My solution was to add a cheap slip-on rubber pad onto my shotgun's buttstock. It does a nice job of reducing recoil. In a real situation, I don't think I'll notice. For more money, there are also the Knoxx stocks.
I have a 30-30 model 94 lever action accessible to me, but I only have hunting rounds for it. On the other hand I am well accustomed to how my shotgun points and shoots. I don't have enough money (college student) to buy a semi-auto rifle or I would.
Shotguns The ProArms Podcast
The Pro Arms podcast is my favorite and they had 2 podcasts (17 A & B) back in Feb of 2009 that addressed the whole issue of shotguns as home defense weapons.
They spent a lot of time discussing the various gauges and ammo types.
The pod cast is hosted by Mas Ayoob, Kathy Jackson (of Cornered Cat fame) and a number of other people whose names I can't recall but you should recognize.
My coach gun is loaded with Federal 00 buck...
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Sometimes, although rarely, will we have a shortage of Federal Tactical 00 Buck loads. So if it comes to that, I will instead choose Federal Powershock 00 Buck, which has a much wider pattern than the Tactical version. I prefer to target practice with 80-100 rds. of Remington/Federal slugs since they are cheaper. I will shoot my 00 Buck but only about 20 rds. of it, which I have with my shotgun that I would get rid of. But there is a downside to slugs though. Theyo do leave a lot of residue on the shotgun barrel that makes them difficult to remove. As a matter of fact, I still have some remaining stubborn slug residue on the barrel of my Mossberg 590 that I was unable to remove since my last firing session w/ Federal Tactical slugs. And I didn't shot any of my Federal Tactical 00 Buck loads at that time either.
Federal Premium LE Tactical rifled slug
1oz, hollow-point slug 438gr.
1300 fps./muzzle 1642 ft.lbs/muzzle
1100 fps./25yd. 1275 ft.lbs/25yd.
Federal Premium LE Tactical TRU (Tactical Rifle Urban)
Hi-shock SP 55gr.
3220 fps./muzzle 1266 ft.lbs/muzzle
2782 fps./100yd. 945 ft.lbs/100yd.
For in home protection, I'll take the SG with slugs over the rifle every time. Sure, I get more recoil and slower reloads with it, but MUCH bigger wound channels. Obviously shot placement matters, but no different than the rifle.
Show me a rifle (that you could use in your home) that shoots a .75" diameter projectile weighing 438gr. with the ease-of-use the SG provides.
By the way, outdoors, I'll take the rifle everytime.
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