Heavier 9mm Self-Defense Rounds

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    Forgot the Barrel Length

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    I find it interesting that a lot of people here recommend +P rounds for short barreled pistols; in my experience, all a +P does out of a short barrel is gain you more muzzle flash, without gaining all that much velocity over a non +P...in fact, usually as a percentage, the +P's lose considerably greater velocity out of short barrels than non+P due to the inefficient burn.

    The only times I like to run +P is in longer barreled pistols that will make the most use of the extra velocity...

    My two cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    I find it interesting that a lot of people here recommend +P rounds for short barreled pistols; in my experience, all a +P does out of a short barrel is gain you more muzzle flash, without gaining all that much velocity over a non +P...in fact, usually as a percentage, the +P's lose considerably greater velocity out of short barrels than non+P due to the inefficient burn.

    The only times I like to run +P is in longer barreled pistols that will make the most use of the extra velocity...

    My two cents.
    Winchester recommends 147 gr standard pressure in short barrels. The slower bullet has more dwell time in the barrel, allowing it to take a fuller advantage of the charge.
    147 Ranger-T will work as advertised in the 830-850 fps. range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalexplr View Post
    147gr HST's and Ranger T's are hard to beat.
    What he said. I personally use HSTs, but I would not feel underprepared with Black Tal--er, Rangers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    I find it interesting that a lot of people here recommend +P rounds for short barreled pistols; in my experience, all a +P does out of a short barrel is gain you more muzzle flash, without gaining all that much velocity over a non +P...in fact, usually as a percentage, the +P's lose considerably greater velocity out of short barrels than non+P due to the inefficient burn.

    The only times I like to run +P is in longer barreled pistols that will make the most use of the extra velocity...

    My two cents.
    Speer claims to have addressed this with faster burning, low flash powder in a bullet "especially for short barrel guns" called Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel Personal Protection Ammo. The only 9mm round they sell in this line is a +P 124 gr. 1150 fps out of a 3.5" barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savior Sound View Post
    Speer claims to have addressed this with faster burning, low flash powder in a bullet "especially for short barrel guns" called Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel Personal Protection Ammo. The only 9mm round they sell in this line is a +P 124 gr. 1150 fps out of a 3.5" barrel.
    They may make them but I'm beginning to wonder if they actually sell them. I've been looking for several months getting words that they will be available in 3 weeks only to hear they didn't come in, so another 3 weeks, etc.

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    Speer Gold Dot 147GR Bullits??

    I just bought 5000 bullits of Speer Gold Dots 147Gr HP's. Loading them over some Unique Powder that works just fine and prints at the same place as 115Gr FMJ ammo does out to 15Yards. Not too hot and very accurate for Plinking and other uses. Read that as PPC if you need that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    I find it interesting that a lot of people here recommend +P rounds for short barreled pistols; in my experience, all a +P does out of a short barrel is gain you more muzzle flash, without gaining all that much velocity over a non +P...in fact, usually as a percentage, the +P's lose considerably greater velocity out of short barrels than non+P due to the inefficient burn.

    The only times I like to run +P is in longer barreled pistols that will make the most use of the extra velocity...

    My two cents.
    Funny thing is most +P 9mm ammunition is actually operating in SAAMI standard MAP specs, not SAAMI +P. Speer is using the +P as a marketing tool. Handloaders have been pushing the 124gr bullet to 1200fps (4 inch barrel) for decades. Hell, I push a 147gr that fast in a 4 inch barrel under SAAMI MAP.

    If you need to increase pressure in a high pressure cartridge to achieve desired results, move up a caliber so you get more velocity per grain weight with equal pressure.
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    147gr HST's and Ranger T's are hard to beat
    I have yet to see any ballistics that do not show these two rounds utterly dominating all others. Corbon DPX is a close second because it is like a HST with less mass. I still have a box of these since they make my 21SF lighter when wearing shorts. If I cant get HST I get Talons and if I cant get those I go DPX
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    How bout some love for the 147gr Golden Saber Bonded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldLincoln View Post
    They may make them but I'm beginning to wonder if they actually sell them. I've been looking for several months getting words that they will be available in 3 weeks only to hear they didn't come in, so another 3 weeks, etc.
    Check gunbroker.com every once in a while. here
    And Midway has it in stock ready to ship today @ http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=216634

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Glock View Post
    HST's are the best jhp's on the market right now.

    the only downside is their scarcity.
    Unless you want a bonded bullet, then Ranger Bonded are king of the mountain.

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    I have read authoritative articles that recommend 115 grain 9mm bullets as the most effective weight for that caliber for SD.

    I have read authoritative articles that recommend 147 grain 9mm bullets as the most effective weight for that caliber for SD.

    I don't have the expertise, time, or money to try and decide which is right, so I went with the Goldilocks solution:

    I carry 124 grain +P in a major brand JHP.
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