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    One thing to consider is will it shoot in your gun. I recently discovered HST is 1mm longer than Fed Classic Hi-Shok and will not feed into my Colt 1911. Today I looked at other defense rounds and saw 1 even longer than HST. I though all 45 ACP would be the same length but they are not.

    Lesson is don't buy a bunch of something you aren't sure will work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OldLincoln View Post
    One thing to consider is will it shoot in your gun. I recently discovered HST is 1mm longer than Fed Classic Hi-Shok and will not feed into my Colt 1911. Today I looked at other defense rounds and saw 1 even longer than HST. I though all 45 ACP would be the same length but they are not.

    Lesson is don't buy a bunch of something you aren't sure will work.
    Taking this into consideration I just measured the OAL of random Federal HST and Winchester White Box hollowpoints. All of the HST measured 1.195" to 1.20" OAL. The Winchester sample all measured 1.20" to 1.21" OAL.

    My Springfield GI 1911 had no issues with HST or the WWB.
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    I carry Federal 125 grain HST LE in my Glock 33 .357 Sig. I hear very good things about bullet performance in "soft" targets.

    I want to carry the best performing ammo I can find because (God Forbid!), if I have to shoot a BG I want him to STAY SHOT.

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    Speaking of Federal HST, who has it in stock right now? I'm specifically looking for 9mm in 147gr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragman View Post
    Just finished going over ballistics testing with a government employee that stopped in the shop. I asked this very question and this is what I was told. The only ammo they tested this year that sh#t the bed was the Hornady Critical defense. HydraShok is still used widely and has a 92% one shot stopage rating.
    Are you saying this ammo failed miserably?^^^^^^^^^
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    Critical defense failed?

    Gee. Maybe because it's designed to not pass the FBI ballistic test protocol in a misguided effort to design a civilian specific ammunition for people who "won't need" to shoot through intermediate barriers?

    I like Hornady XTP...but the critical defense?

    Pass.

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    It's funny how easily people died when hit with a 36 caliber round ball that had ballistics of a 32 long, but fret about what to feed our modern powerful hi cap guns.

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    If you dont want your Hydra-Shocks send them to me...Ill carry em!
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    I have been on gun forums for quite a few years. The debates over which is the best round to carry often get very heated, and for no reason at all. Bullet placement is 100 times more critical than bullet type. I would rather place a 125 grain FMJ round through the heart or severe the spinal column than to place the latest and greatest round through a non vital part of the body. I have done my own testing with the Federal HST and I know they will open up nice and wide if needed. But I still have several boxes of Hydrashok that I wouldn't think twice about carrying. Let me let y'all in on something, if they worked 20 years ago, they will still work today. People need to worry more about their ability with their firearm than worry about the bullet they place in that firearm. How many civilians are carrying a weapon with the latest and greatest super bullet but they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn? So get out to the range and shoot , shoot and then shoot some more. Make sure that some of that shooting is with the rounds you plan on carrying.
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    I use Speer Gold Dots because I haven't found any HST in .45 in over a year... unless you count the very rare 20 ct. box for over $1/round (or sometimes as much as close to $2/round) as "available."

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    My short answer to you would be for you to study the past morbidity & mortality reports plublished by our FBI and after action reports filed by those who have been forced to utilize potential and actual deadly force in the performance of their duties. What ammunition did they use? Where were the shots placed? How many rounds and in what time frame did it take to stop the action? What did the autopsy of the victim/felon reveal? Did the projectile expand? Did the projectile exit the body or did the round expend all its energy in the targeted victim/felon? Past performance is your best guide....please be wary of today's marketing techniques being utilized by those who would exploit past success for today's buck$.

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    Here is something I copied a while back. While dated, it still may be useful.



    Steve,

    Let me dive right in and try to clear things up a bit.

    First, many of the rounds listed below are not Hydra Shok rounds so lets start with those. All of the 'Classic' loadings you mentioned such as the 9BP and 9BPLE are loads that use just a standard hollow point bullet. The
    Classic line is our lower priced product that offers shooters a good, but less expensive alternative. These bullets are not Hydra Shok bullets however, just good old hollow points.

    The Premium line is our higher end product. In this line you will find both the Hydra Shoks (P9HS1G1, P9HS3G1, etc.) and the HST (PHST1, PHST2). Hydra Shock bullets were created and designed about 1989. This was cutting edge technology for that era in terms of performance.

    HST is our newest product and was just completed about a year ago. It represents the very best blend of the two styles (bonded, non-bonded). It is not chemically bonded, but because of the way the jacket and core are mechanically mated it holds its weight very much like a bonded bullet. Through barriers such as glass and sheetrock it performs remarkably well and actually expands greater than either the Hydra Shok or the Tactical. HST is the next generation of bullet and it offers better performance than Hydra Shok.

    Tactical products (LE9T1 and LE9T5) are a Law Enforcement only line that is loaded not with Hydra Shok, but with a bonded bullet. The bonded bullet is much more capable of defeating barriers and staying together, offering superior penetration, weight retention and expansion over non-bonded bullets. Neither the Classic, Hydra Shok or HST are bonded.

    So in a nutshell: Classic = std. hollow points; Hydra Shok is better, HST is the next generation of bullets while Tactical is the overall best bullet available by Federal in terms of performance through all the FBI testing protocols. HST is not far behind however and in some of the tests it actually outperforms Tactical, while costing about 25% less money.

    Let me know if I can help any further,

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    thats what I carry because thats what I have the easiest time following up a shot with a second or third shot with. it has nothing to do with ballistics
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    I changed from Federal Hydro's 3 years ago to Cor-Bon DPX which has performanse info to back it up. If you cannot get DPX, Federal Hydro's may be a good second chance ammo to use.
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