What's the 411 on Winchester PDX1 ammo?

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    What's the 411 on Winchester PDX1 ammo?

    Greetings.

    Went to the range last weekend and asked for some +P .45 ammo. The salesman showed me the PDX1 ammo and had good feedback on it. I purchased a box to see for myself and was not disappointed! It feed well thru my HK 45C, and the kick wasn't bad. I was still able to stay on target for follow-up shots.

    My current carry ammo is Speer Gold Dots, but was wondering if this new PDX1 is really worth the hype. Did my research and discovered that this is the new FBI load being used by the Feds.

    I had a few questions:

    1. Is this ammo rated +P or just packed with a wicked punch?

    2. Is this ammo here to stay or just the latest and greatest? (I kinda answered my own question here because I don't think Winchester would put out some trashy ammo…too much reputation as a company to risk)

    Opinions please!

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    They make mult loads both standard and +P. It is important to look on the box as it will tell you which load you have. The bullets are bonded for the PDX meaning they stay attached to the case in order to give you more weight retention. I have shot multiple boxes of this ammo and absolutely love it. The bullet expansion is phenomenal, and produces a quite wicked looking slug when it is fully expanded. It is an updated version of the Black Talon/Ranger bullet line.
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    I've been on Winchester's website and did not see any PDX1 ammo in +P (especially in .45). I understand that they may offer this +P in other Winchester ammo, but I'm looking for the PDX1 in +P. If they don't have it yet, then I'll be happy with the standard PDX1.

    VERY GOOD AMMO!!

    after looking again...I do see it's being offered for the 9mm

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    I just picked up 3 boxes of this stuff in .45 acp at my local Wal-mart. (I've seen the .40 there before, but now they've got it in .45 and .38 special +P.)

    Once the temperature goes down some, I'm gonna go run about 30 of them through my new Ruger to see how it likes it. Hopefully it'll eat them like candy, because they had a HUGE supply of the stuff there at $21.97 a box, and I'd like to run about 2-3 boxes more before I start carrying it. However, I wasn't about to buy $200 worth of ammo until I knew my gun would like it. My Glock 23 loved the stuff in .40 S&W though.
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    The owner at the gun store where I purchased my gun offered these to me. I fired this ammo and it went very well!! No problems at all. He said he went hog hunting and fired a 45acp round right into a wild hog and he stated the hog dropped with 1 round.......not bad I'd say.
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    It's designed to stay together for more weight retention and penetration. I've fired it in my 4566 and it worked fine, but the 4566 eats anything and everything. I did notice it had more pop than some others, so it's definitely not downloaded. I haven't tried it in my G30 yet but I'm sure it will feed fine when I do. The PDX1s are in the 4566 right now for HD. I'll try a side-by-side comparison with Gold Dots in the G30 on my next trip to the range.
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    this is what i have loaded in xdm 40 cal and i must say i would not want to on the reveicing end of that.

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    Same as Ranger T, just different box. Winchester tech rep said that you can get Ranger T w/o being an LEO, and cheaper than PDX1, just look for it on the internet. Seems to be in the same league as Gold Dot, HST, and Hornady. From what friends have said, it's a very capable round, as it has met the FBI performance criteria... I bought 25 boxes, and loaded all of my magazines last night. Four G21 mags in 13+4(Arredondo), 21 mags in 13rd, and 6 mags in 11rd(10+1 [Pearce+2]). My G21 and G30 will now be better fed, than Remington or WWB generic 230gr JHP... Even have a few left over for the valise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlockMan1949 View Post
    Same as Ranger T, just different box. Winchester tech rep said that you can get Ranger T w/o being an LEO, and cheaper than PDX1, just look for it on the internet. Seems to be in the same league as Gold Dot, HST, and Hornady. From what friends have said, it's a very capable round, as it has met the FBI performance criteria... I bought 25 boxes, and loaded all of my magazines last night. Four G21 mags in 13+4(Arredondo), 21 mags in 13rd, and 6 mags in 11rd(10+1 [Pearce+2]). My G21 and G30 will now be better fed, than Remington or WWB generic 230gr JHP... Even have a few left over for the valise...

    GlockMan1949, out...
    Not quite the same as Ranger-T; in the epanded rounds I've seen, it doesn't have the jagged petals that the T-series has; still, though, it's a solid round. IIRC, DocGKR likes 'em.

    I like them in my G30, G36 and 1911.
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    From what I have been told by a Winchester worker that was at the NRA show here in Charlotte, they are the civilian version of the Winchester Ranger ammunition. I carry PDX1 in my .40 and my 9mm. I have gone through a couple boxes and can tell a slight increase in recoil compared to standard FMJ practice rounds and I never see any flash from the muzzle which is good. In the 9mm I carry 124 +P and in the .40 I carry 165gr. My Uncle gave me a box of Winchester Ranger .40 180gr. but I haven't shot any of them yet.

    Also another reason I carry PDX1 is it is the same thing that the FBI carries in their weapons, and if im ever in a defensive shooting and they ask why I chose that round I can say I looked to our government and thats what they use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by etniexd View Post
    From what I have been told by a Winchester worker that was at the NRA show here in Charlotte, they are the civilian version of the Winchester Ranger ammunition. I carry PDX1 in my .40 and my 9mm. I have gone through a couple boxes and can tell a slight increase in recoil compared to standard FMJ practice rounds and I never see any flash from the muzzle which is good. In the 9mm I carry 124 +P and in the .40 I carry 165gr. My Uncle gave me a box of Winchester Ranger .40 180gr. but I haven't shot any of them yet.

    Also another reason I carry PDX1 is it is the same thing that the FBI carries in their weapons, and if im ever in a defensive shooting and they ask why I chose that round I can say I looked to our government and thats what they use.
    I'm not so sure I want to use the government as my example to follow. I'd be several trillion $ in debt, my house would be invaded by illegal immigrants and drug lords, etc.
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    I've purchased and fired the PDX1 in .38, 9mm and .45. I haven't had any problems with it. I use it in all my SD firearms.

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    I put 40 rounds through my Springfield 1911 a few months ago and absolutely loved it. Similar recoil (for me, at least), fed/ejected with no problems, and seemed to be more accurate than the Gold Got in 230 grain.
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    It is not the same as the Ranger T, the T is the descendant of the original Black Talon. It's a bonded bullet and that technology is proven in the Gold Dot and Federal Bonded Tactical. Really how much difference can there be? The biggest advantage lately is like it was sad above, it's available in WalMart when no other JHP is. Maybe availabilty and cost is why it got picked by the FBI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    Not quite the same as Ranger-T; in the epanded rounds I've seen, it doesn't have the jagged petals that the T-series has; still, though, it's a solid round. IIRC, DocGKR likes 'em.

    I like them in my G30, G36 and 1911.
    It's the same thing as ranger-t bonded.

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