Anyone Test a Variety of Snubnose Ammo in 4-Ply Denim?

[147 Grain]

Love to see objective 4-Ply Denim tests in gel on the following self defense loads that I believe might lead the pack for 2" snubnose revolvers:

1. Buffalo Bore's Short Barrel Standard Pressure 158-gr. Lead Wadcutter HP (Item #20C) at 850 fps in 2" snubnose.
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...t_detail&p=110
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...t_images&p=110

2. Buffalo Bore's Short Barrel Standard Pressure 150-gr. Hardcast Wadcutter (Item #20D) at 868 fps in 2" snubnose.
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...t_detail&p=111
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...t_images&p=111

3. Speer Short Barrel 135-gr. +P Gold Dot (Item #23921) at 860 fps in 2" snubnose.
http://www.speer-ammo.com/products/bullet_tests.htm
http://www.speer-ammo.com/products/short_brl.aspx
http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics...x?loadNo=23921

4. Winchester Supreme Elite 130-gr. Bonded (Item #S38PDB) at about 850 fps in 2" snubnose. http://www.winchester.com/Products/h...es/S38PDB.aspx

5. Corbon 110-gr. +P Solid Copper DPX (Item #DPX38110-20) at about 925 fps in 2" snubnose.
http://www.shopcorbon.com/Self-Defen...20/200/Product

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[azchevy]

I do believe Remington Golden Saber 125Gr JHP leads the pack and has the track record to prove it.

[glockman10mm]

I did a test years ago, that I am going to repeat by shooting thru wooden dowels to see what bullets would plow a straight line to the aiming point. The heavier weights won hands down over lighter faster. I truly believe this is what is probable when bullets meet bone. I will set this up again, as I feel it more relevant than jello testing.

[alachner]

I do believe Remington Golden Saber 125Gr JHP leads the pack and has the track record to prove it.

I use Remington Golden Saber JHP in all my concealed carry weapons. This is a fantastic self-defense cartridge!!!!

[SIGP250]

I use Remington Golden Saber JHP in all my concealed carry weapons. This is a fantastic self-defense cartridge!!!!

How do you know other than from the manufacturer, Brass Fletcher or another ballistics test. Any first hand experience with the round for SD?

[147 Grain]

I agree with SIGP250! As for Golden Sabers, they were designed by the same guy who developed the Ranger T line-up after he left Winchester.

My #1 concern with using a 38 Special for self defense is penetration!!! and since velocities are low in a snubnose, a heavier projectile or tougher (BONDED) bullet is needed because penetration is king and the most important. Standard (UNbonded) Golden Sabers are like Ranger T's; they're just not good penetrators in 38 Special unless you upgrade to the BONDED version.

Winchester's new PDX1 line-up upgrades their Ranger T bullet to BONDED status and that is why I'm interested in how their 130-gr. Bonded (Item #S38PDB) at about 850 fps in 2" snubnose performs in FBI Protocols like 4-Ply Denim or Heavy Cloth.

http://www.winchester.com/Products/h...es/S38PDB.aspx

[azchevy]

I thought you folks were talking about 357 magnum not 38 special. I would not use 38 special in my snubnose for self defense when i could use 357 magnum.

here is one I found for you


http://ingunowners.com/forums/access...ter_denim.html

Carry on.

[Superhouse 15]

I did test some DPX through denim into wet newspaper, also through 6 layers of t shirt. They expanded pretty unevenly. Most shots only one or two segments opened, and those only partway. Wasn't real impressed, although I don't see much heavy clothes in my area except for a couple weeks a year.

Personally, I have a huge stockpile of Nyclads in standard and in 125 and 158gr +P. I use those in most of my snubs, but you can't carry them around in speedloaders or speed / Tuff strips or the nylon wears off from friction. The Gold Saber and the DPX are awesome for spare ammo. The pointy DPX and the rounded GS feed from your loader into your cylinder like greased butter and are way too hard to get beat up bouncing around in a pocket.

[krazykeny]

Speer Gold dot for short barrels - It does it all

[TedBeau]

Check Brass Fetcher

http://www.brassfetcher.com/38%20Special.html
and The Box of Truth
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot26.htm

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot27_2.htm

[Old School]

One more test......

http://hipowersandhandguns.com/38%20...mmo%20Test.htm

[Ragin Cajun]

Just curious, why 4 layers of denim? No body wears 4 layers of denim.

[147 Grain]

The 4 Layer Denim test protocol is basically used to force a HP bullet to clog or fail and if it can perform well in this test, it will also excel / expand in basic clothing the average person wears. This is an extreme test designed by the FBI to see if a HP acts more like FMJ (gets plugged up) or can reliably expand as a well designed HP should.

[1 old 0311]

I understand down will clod a hollow point faster than denim.

[Ragin Cajun]

The 4 Layer Denim test protocol is basically used to force a HP bullet to clog or fail and if it can perform well in this test, it will also excel / expand in basic clothing the average person wears. This is an extreme test designed by the FBI to see if a HP acts more like FMJ (gets plugged up) or can reliably expand as a well designed HP should.

Thanks ! I assumed it was to clog the bullet but didn't know it was used by the FBI in their test. Hornady claims their new bullet won't clog and will expand everytime. They have it in 38, 110gr. +P. I have not shot any of it myself. I've been content with Gold Dots.