Excellent Self Defense Loads From Major Manufactures

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    ****** 9mm ******

    Federal HST: LE Only
    147-gr. +P (P9HST4)
    147-gr. (P9HST2)

    Federal Tactical – Bonded: LE Only
    135-gr. +P (LE9T5)
    124-gr. (LE9T1)

    Winchester Ranger T: LE Only
    147-gr. (RA9T)
    124-gr. +P Bonded (RA9BAB)
    147-gr. Bonded (RA9B)
    124-gr. Bonded (RA99124TP)
    127-gr. +P+ (RA9TA)

    Remington Golden Saber: Similar to Ranger T
    147-gr. (GS9MMC)

    Winchester PDX1 - Bonded: Civilian Version of Bonded Ranger T
    124-gr. +P (S9MMPDB)
    147-gr. (S9MMPDB1)

    Barnes: See Corbon DPX and etc…
    115-gr. +P XPB Copper Jacketed HP

    Speer Gold Dot – Bonded:
    124-gr. +P (23617)
    147-gr. (23619)
    124-gr. (23618)



    ****** 40 S&W ******

    Federal HST: LE Only
    180-gr. (P40HST1)

    Federal Tactical – Bonded: LE Only
    165-gr. +P (LE40T3)
    180-gr. (LE40T1)

    Winchester Ranger T: LE Only
    180-gr. (RA40T)
    165-gr. Bonded (RA40BA)
    165-gr. (RA40TA)
    180-gr. Bonded (RA40B)

    Remington Golden Saber: Similar to Ranger T
    180-gr. (GS40SWB)

    Winchester PDX1 - Bonded: Civilian Version of Bonded Ranger T
    165-gr. (S40SWPDB)
    180-gr. (S40SWPDB1)

    Barnes: See Corbon DPX and etc…
    155-gr. XPB Copper Jacketed HP
    140-gr. XPB Copper Jacketed HP

    Speer Gold Dot – Bonded:
    165-gr. (23970)
    155-gr. (23961)
    180-gr. (23962)



    ****** 45 ACP ******

    Federal HST: LE Only
    230-gr. +P (P45HST1)
    230-gr. (P45HST2)

    Federal Tactical – Bonded: LE Only
    230-gr. (LE45T1)

    Winchester Ranger T: LE Only
    230-gr. +P (RA45TP)
    230-gr. (RA45T)
    230-gr. Bonded (RA45B)

    Remington Golden Saber: Similar to Ranger T
    230-gr. (GS45APB)

    Winchester PDX1 – Bonded: Civilian Version of Bonded Ranger T
    230-gr. (S45PDB)

    Barnes: See also Corbon DPX and etc…
    185-gr. Copper Jacketed HP
    160-gr. Copper Jacketed HP

    Speer Gold Dot – Bonded:
    200-gr. +P (23969)
    230-gr. (23966)
    Last edited by 147 Grain; November 14th, 2010 at 12:47 AM.
    Aim for the Thoracic Triangle Area between the armpits and the base of throat.

    1. Shot Placement: Center Mass Between the Armpits & Base of Throat
    2. Heavy for Caliber Bullet Weight / Construction
    3. Choice of Caliber

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    Hornady Critical Defense does not use the Barnes all-copper bullet, IIRC.
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    Seems you like them heavy.

    Have you had experience with these loads on humans, or is this from the Catalog Knowledge of Ballistic Knowledge?

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    Have several decades of LE experience protecting our country - in and outside of the U.S. with direct knowledge of wound profiles. Still don't feel like an expert and went to work compiling data in this area.

    A couple of things I've learned:

    Heavy for caliber bullets typically perform better for self defense than lighter projectiles do because PENETRATION is mandatory and expansion is secondary.

    The FBI says that 62% of police shootings, a bullet travels through an arm, hand, or leg before even touching the chest area and PD's frequently state that 50% of time the bullet has to travel at a odd angle before reaching the vitals. This is why PENETRATION is critical due to longer angles or extremities before reaching the vitals!

    The average self defense HP loses 4" - 6" of penetrating power in flesh when it goes through a leather glove (both sides). Strong heavy duty bullets (that also expand) are a must if you want to survive!

    The above list of suggested loads generally provide good penetration and expansion. A proper balance with penetration leading the way is the criteria I used in gathering data for performance in Gel, 4-Ply Denim, Heavy Cloth, Wallboard, Glass, and Steel.

    I am in the process of expanding the recommended list to include other calibers which will be posted soon.
    Aim for the Thoracic Triangle Area between the armpits and the base of throat.

    1. Shot Placement: Center Mass Between the Armpits & Base of Throat
    2. Heavy for Caliber Bullet Weight / Construction
    3. Choice of Caliber

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    Quote Originally Posted by 147 Grain View Post
    Have several decades of LE experience protecting our country - in and outside of the U.S. with direct knowledge of wound profiles. Still don't feel like an expert and went to work compiling data in this area.

    I am in the process of expanding the recommended list to include other calibers which will be posted soon.
    So are you talking about wound profiles in gell-o blocks, or in people? Keep in mind that there is no one-to-one relationship between shooting gell-o and shooting people. Gell-o is simply an easily repeatable preliminary screening test.

    What sort of LE job have you had for "decades" that has allowed you to research wound profiles in deceased people both here and abroad? You seem to be throwing a pretty wide loop to include so many different loads and calibers in your research. What OCONUS opportunities have you had to study wound profiles? The reason I ask is that your list seems like canned information taken from previously published sources.

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