Is a PF-9 out of the question? I'd prefer not to get shot by anything, but 9x19 is a well respected self-defense caliber. It's also much easier to find and probably cheaper.
PF-9 9x19 7+1 5.85 L 4.3 H .88 W
P32 .32 acp 7+1 5.1 L 3.5 H .75 W
P3AT .380 acp 6+1 5.2 L 3.5 H .77 W
my p32 is my eyes, ears, nose and throat specialist....its not a long range bell tower sniper tool...its for up close and personal work or to buy time to my primary as a pocket carry bug...if it can inflict damage it is an effective tool as a deterent or threat stopper...i'll take a stapler over a ruler also...
The .32 served European police and military for years and was very popular in the US in it's day. Are there better calibers yeah will it do the job, sure if you put rounds in the right spot it will either put your attacker down or give the the chance to get away. Either way you survive.
Damn, I carry a 5" 10mm and I still feel like I wouldn't mind carrying something with more punch. Different strokes for different folks.
Okay, now that's just ridiculous. Larger bullets make bigger holes (more bleeding, more nerve endings being damaged) and with large bullets usually comes more muzzle energy (a combination of size and speed) which means more penetration (greater chance of hitting vitals, more tissue damage, more blood loss) and less deviation when hitting hard objects (like glass, plastic, gold chains, BONE).
Originally Posted by PAcanis
People who carry small rounds and want to argue in defense of their position on the internet love to say things like, "shot placement is key" ... as if somehow I'm less accurate with my 10mm then they are with their <insert your caliber choice here>. Bigger bullets do more damage ... that's the end of the story. That's not to say that everyone should carry a Barrett around with them. There are many reasons why smaller guns exist and why someone would need to arm themselves with a smaller and lighter-recoiling round, but to do so simply because you think it doesn't matter is ignorant ... don't be ignorant.
My honest opinion is I am not a fan myself. It is better than nothing and against an unarmed BG it will probably save your life. Against an armed BG while it might seriously harm or even kill them they are probably going to be able to kill you too. Just doesn't have enough "quick fight stopping power" for me it is about bullet size and capacity the 9mm is ok cuz in most applications it carrys 15 or more rounds were most 32's are 6. I own some bug guns and if I couldn't carry a primary I would still carry them just not with the confidence I would like to have, but the beach is a hard place to CC.
It is a satisfactory round in blowback-breech pistols.
My father has carried a .32acp since before I was alive...I'm 34. He has always said to me....after I mag dump in to the _______er I think I can handle it from there. He carries it for the "get off me factor".
BuffaloBore 32acp +P http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...t_detail&p=132
.32 ACP +P Ammo - 75 gr. Hardcast F.N. (1150fps/ M.E. 220 ft. lbs.) - 20 Round Box
The 32 ACP auto inhabits a valuable and useful place in our society as a defensive cartridge, mostly because of the easily concealable, tiny pistols chambered for it. HOWEVER, because of the very limited size of the cartridge, it is plagued with limited power and therefore most of the existing ammo in 32 ACP suffers from not being reliable as a man-stopper. We've studied and examined nearly all available 32 ammo and find it wanting as a reliable means of self defense, especially against a large, drugged up/pain free, determined attacker.
Here's the problem. The current 32 ACP frangible ammo delivers a large amount of surface trauma, but lacks sufficient penetration. For example, if you shot me or another sane man in the face, with modern, frangible 32 ACP ammo, it would blow off a big portion of my cheek. I would undoubtedly fall to the ground in shock and pain, but I would be very much alive and functional if I could get past the pain, as that frangible bullet would have stopped somewhere in my face, never making it to my brain. However, if you shot a drugged up maniac in the face with that same frangible bullet and blew half his cheek off, he would keep right on coming because he is insane and is not thinking like you or I. Plus, he is likely pain free and fear free and won't know that part of his cheek is missing and if he did know, he would not care. So, whatever 32 ACP ammo you shoot him in the face with, had better go through his face and blow his brain stem out the back of his head, because only a CNS (central nervous system) hit with a 32 ACP is going to stop him. Likewise, a torso hit to the sternum needs to penetrate deep enough to blow all the way through his spine in order to shut him down instantly. If you fail to shut him down instantly, you and your loved ones are going to have to find a way to survive while you wait for him to bleed out and pass out. The best chance of survival for you and your loved ones, is to shut down the attacker instantly. So, we've designed this 32 ACP+P load to keep you and yours alive under the worst of scenarios.
This 32 ACP+P ammo will better all American made 32 ACP+P ammo by 110 fps to 150 fps with a heavier bullet than any other American made 32 ACP ammo.
Item 30A/20 is a 75gr. HARD cast bullet with a flat nose. It is traveling over 1,000 fps out of my 3.4 inch Beretta Mod. 70. We've used a flash suppressed powder so that you won't be blinded by your own gunfire in the dark. This is significant as well over 90% of all civilian shootings in America occur in low light when the criminal element is out and about. Also, this flat nosed, nonexpanding, hard cast, bullet will penetrate deeply and will do much more damage than the typical round nosed FMJ bullet. Round nosed bullets tend to slip and slide through living tissue, doing little damage as opposed to a flat nosed bullet. The flat nose not only wounds much more than a round nosed bullet, but it actually keeps the penetration straight and thus deeper. Notice the below velocities from my personal 32 ACP pistols. These are real world guns and thus the speeds are realistic and not the exaggerated speeds you'll see produced from laboratory test barrels. What you see with Buffalo Bore Ammo advertising, is truly what you get in the "real world" where it matters. You can expect 20+ inches of straight line penetration in flesh and bone with this load. If you are worried about over-penetration with this load, DON'T! You chose to carry a tiny under-powered 32 ACP pistol and the trade off is that now you are going to have to stay alive using this pistol and over-penetration will be the least of your worries if you end up needing this gun to save yourself or your family.
A. Berretta Mod. 70, 3 inch bbl.- 1001 fps
B. Kel Tek, 2.5 inch bbl - 910 fps
C. Seecamp, 2 inch bbl. - 856 fps
The above bullet speeds are 110 fps to 150 fps faster than the Winchester 71 gr. FMJ ammo on the American market. Not only is our bullet heavier than any other American made 32 ACP ammo, but it is moving about 15% to 20% faster - with that heavier bullet!
Feeding and function was flawless in the three test pistols listed above.
Our uncle as a young man wondered how well a .32 S&W would do on a hog.
Butchering day and instead of using the usual .22 rifle he tried that little Smith.
(I say little. I have handled it, it looks like someone left a model 10 in the dryer and it shrunk. Cute.)
Dropped the pig, they found the bullet in the rear ham.
His Pa told him not to shoot any more pigs with it, ruins too much meat.
In the Walter PP series pistoles, again anecdotally, we note a greater functional reliability with the .32 ACP than the same pistol in .380.
Would I carry it?
If I were confident in my ability to hit with it, and
If I had no recourse to my usual EDC.
Hitler committed suicide (?)...He was not shot as in a combat application.
Originally Posted by ICTsnub
Originally Posted by PAcanis
^^^^What I was trying to imply^^^^^^^^^^^
When I made that statement, was that some people , when shot, just don't give a damn at the given moment, and if you are trying to END a threat, you will most likely get more mileage( end the threat) by dumping a more effective round into them.
Google Peter Soulis and you will read what I mean.
Originally Posted by HiFreq47
I want as many rounds as I can at my disposal, and rounds that will conceivably have a detrimental effect on the criminal.
I aint carrying a pocket pistol jammer in .32 or .380. Its S&W .38+P for me.
I've posted this before but it's so simple and so logical, I have to post it again. This is what the FBI has to say on the subject of wounding effectiveness:
Well aware of that.
Originally Posted by Janq