Your favorite HD/PD ammo for 18" 12 ga shotgun, and why?

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    I have the Remington green box 00 also, and I've shot it out of my Mossberg 500 7-round tube shotty, and I like how it patterns out to 25 feet

    ...but I prefer the Federal flightcontrol wad, its what we get issued at work and I've used it in tatical shotgun training where we had to shoot a hostage taker (human shaped steel plate) behind a hostage (another human shaped steel plate) and everyone in the class took out the BG without hitting the hostage from 16 yards
    it patterns very well
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    Just remember with a rifled bore use smooth slugs, straight bore use rifled slugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    Pattern your shotgun and see what it likes best.
    This x100

    A while back I picked up a bunch of Personal Defense loads from Federal with big birdshot. I was looking for a reduced penetration house load. It would not pattern worth a darn in any of my guns. By chance I happened to pick up one of the wads off of the ground after firing, it had a spreader wad in it....

    Patterning makes all the difference. It's the only way to know, and if you have a need for low penetration in your apartment or house, it's even more important to pattern. You've got to keep all those small pellets on the target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedogfather View Post
    I prefer the Remington "green box" of 5, 2 3/4 OO buckshot. My old pump gun seems to shoot it just fine and it is (still) pretty affordable.
    That is 100% my opinion too, I have a Rem 1100 with a slug barrel for hunting, in the home I keep it loaded with 00 buck shot and the slug barrel not a tatical barrel but it will do....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superhouse 15 View Post
    This x100

    A while back I picked up a bunch of Personal Defense loads from Federal with big birdshot. I was looking for a reduced penetration house load. It would not pattern worth a darn in any of my guns. By chance I happened to pick up one of the wads off of the ground after firing, it had a spreader wad in it....

    Patterning makes all the difference. It's the only way to know, and if you have a need for low penetration in your apartment or house, it's even more important to pattern. You've got to keep all those small pellets on the target.

    I'm confident that you are confusing Federal with Remington. Federal's Personal Defense 12 gauge ammo has always been Buckshot. They have never, ever used any type of Birdshot in their Personal Defense Ammo.

    Remington, though, has such loads in their product line. One uses BB shot, and another is a duplex load with a mixture of #2 and #4 Birdshot. Both of these are being marketed for Home Defense.

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    Went to Brenneke's website, and found this...

    http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/l_tac...e_defense.html

    Found this newly introduced on Tactical-Life.com SHOT blog.

    This year Brenneke introduced their Special Forces Maximum Barrier Penetration Magnum 12 gauge shotgun slugs. This slug was developed with the military and law enforcement for use in difficult urban environments. The slug canblow through a tough car windshield, punch through clothing and still penetrate 31 inches of FBI Spec ballistic gelatin. It is made of solid antimony and has the strength to punch completely through both sides of a tire and rim, or to blow right through an engine block. Contact Brenneke USA at 800-753-9733, brennekeusa.com.

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    I don't tend to get to caught up in the whole "designed for the military or le thing," those slugs may be great, but so are their K.O. slugs, which you can get in a box of 5 for a few bucks, similar with the Remington Green Box 00 I use. A for defensive purposes, a slug is a slug, it's a big chunk of lead to penetrate cover, for hunting with rifled barrels its a bit different.

    As far as distance for patterning, really, that is something you need to determine, but my thinking is, figure out the longest shot you plan to take inside your home, and shoot that distance, (say 10m), then divide it in half, and shoot that distance (5m), and then if I had the rounds, time, and space, I would double the distance of the longer one, and shoot that. Because gunfights and SD situations are dynamic and changing, and it is always good to know the capabilities of your weapon. Different rounds are going to pattern differently too, so that is something to watch out for. But that is all just my opinion.

    Also, when you get the shotgun, work on learning how to use the recoil of a shot to help you work the slide, that makes for faster follow-up shots.
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    Here is probably the most elaborate test/comparisons on shotgun ballistics I've seen. While never having tested/compared 00 buck with #1 buck in my house against an actual intruder or my wife's cat, I have compared both loads on pumpkins and targets out on the farm. I've decided to keep my 590 loaded with eight rounds of Remington #1 buckshot.

    "...A 2 inch load firing 16 .30 cal pellets, this offering from Remington fired from an 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnum exhibited excellent average penetration of approximately 16.5 inches. Temporary stretch cavity measured approximately 8.5 inches. Shot recovered exhibited minimal deformation.

    In our opinion, this load is superior to 00 buck for selection as a tactical shotgun load. While exhibiting slightly less penetration, overall penetration is still acceptable and if all pellets strike their intended target there is potential to create approximately 77% more wound tract with the additional 7 pellets."
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    Federal 00 Tactical LE with either 8 or 9 pellets. As posted, the flight control wad seems to keep the pattern tighter than many others.

    I use the Federal Tactical LE rifled slugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LanceORYGUN View Post
    I'm confident that you are confusing Federal with Remington. Federal's Personal Defense 12 gauge ammo has always been Buckshot. They have never, ever used any type of Birdshot in their Personal Defense Ammo.
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    I've got it in 20ga too, just don't feel like digging it out of the ammo cans.
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    I use the Federal 7 or 8 birdshot, the farthest shot i would take from inside my home is only about 5-6 yards so i am not worried about spreading, but i am worried about over penetration as the walls are somewhat thin and I don't wanna accidentally shoot Mom or Grandma. On the streets when I use it for work, I load it with Hornaday TAP personal defense 00 buck
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    Quote Originally Posted by INccwchris View Post
    I use the Federal 7 or 8 birdshot, the farthest shot i would take from inside my home is only about 5-6 yards so i am not worried about spreading, but i am worried about over penetration as the walls are somewhat thin and I don't wanna accidentally shoot Mom or Grandma. On the streets when I use it for work, I load it with Hornaday TAP personal defense 00 buck
    This is just my personal opinion, but ditch the birdshot around the house. I realize over penetration concerns, but at least go with some #4 buckshot. And then figure out where in your home you have good fields of fire. Over-penetration is bad, but so is not enough penetration. Just something for you to look into.
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    @jwhite. I know this sounds silly but I buy what's cheap. As long as it says 00 buck and it's a name brand I will buy it. I don't plan on using my shotgun outside my home so any shot I have is going to be less than twenty yards. At ten yards all the major brands put massive holes in my targets.

    Don't over think it. Buck shot is a crusher. Any of the major names will be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    @jwhite. I know this sounds silly but I buy what's cheap. As long as it says 00 buck and it's a name brand I will buy it. I don't plan on using my shotgun outside my home so any shot I have is going to be less than twenty yards. At ten yards all the major brands put massive holes in my targets.

    Don't over think it. Buck shot is a crusher. Any of the major names will be fine.
    Well I went to WW last night and they were out of Remington Green box, and ddnt carry Federal. I wanted 2 3/4 but all they had was 3". So I bought the 15 rd "value pack of Winchester Super-X 3" for 11.47. I am sure they will do fine, and 15 rounds will let me shoot it for pattern and still load the tube up for the house.

    Just want to find some slugs for the small occasion I may need those.
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    Slugs are like buck shot, super crushers! Go to Wally's and buy the cheapest you can buy of the big brand names.


    PS. Have fun and don't break your shoulder. :)
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