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About LinkBacksIs there a move in the federal line with this new guard dog bullet to try and replace the hydrashok??? I am seeing it being pushed alot more and was wondering if anyone had any idea.
This is a discussion on Guard Dog taking over for HydraShok within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Is there a move in the federal line with this new guard dog bullet to try and replace the hydrashok??? I am seeing it being ...
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Is there a move in the federal line with this new guard dog bullet to try and replace the hydrashok??? I am seeing it being pushed alot more and was wondering if anyone had any idea.
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It's a lighter weight bullet than some of the hydra-shok line : 9mm @ 105 grains .40S&W @ 135 and .45 ACP @165 though HS has a 135 in .40 and a 165 in .45 ACP. Seems to be directed at indoor low penetration home defense market. I don't think it is intended to replace the hydra shok line. Just one more step in ammunition specialization maybe.
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If anything it sound like a replacement for the Federal EFMJ round.Originally Posted by Dragman
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Available in 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP, Guard Dog Home Defense is a full-metal-jacket style non-hollowpoint that's filled with an expanding polymer, which is designed to minimize over-penetration when shooting through interior walls. Guard Dog Home Defense expands rapidly but doesn't fill with barrier material. During Federal's testing, Guard Dog was shot into four wall-like surfaces and a layer of ballistic gel. Results were that the ammo did not penetrate the gel. Conversely, traditional hollowpoints punched through 15 inches of gel after passing through the same four wall-like surfaces.
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OK...
So.
You have ammo in your gun that won't bother a bad guy who happens to be partially obscured by an interior wall in your house.
NO.
No way, no how.
Not if Jesus endorsed it for use on the devil.
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Just a marketing change for the EFMJ, must not be selling well.
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Agreed.
I'm confused...is anyone else confused why you would use ammo like this in your SD weapon? I mean, realistically, you're probably only going to hit the BG with 3 or 4 rounds out of your magazine anyway, so the "over-penetration" argument is kinda moot, but still, If I need to shoot through a wall or barrier (not likely, but hey, I'll play along, Federal), I want the round to count...
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In an apartment with shared walls, maybe children in another room in close proximity? I can see some uses for it. There is always the potential for missing your target and you don't want to kill an innocent bystander.
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Haha, can you tell I don't have kids? I didn't even consider that! *doh!*
I still don't know how I feel about the rounds, even in the "apartment with shared walls" scenario. I'm certainly not saying that I want to injure an innocent, but if I draw down on a BG who is going bump in the night, my first priority is staying in the fight long enough to get my wife to safety. If I killed an innocent, it would really, really suck to go to prison, but I'd like to think that my still-alive wife would come visit...
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I don't see a need for an impotent bullet. If I'm shooting in self-defense, that means I want the angel of death himself flying out of that gun. If it's not safe to shoot, then it's not safe to shoot. Handguns are weak enough as they are.
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Haha, can you tell I don't have kids? I didn't even consider that! *doh!*
I still don't know how I feel about the rounds, even in the "apartment with shared walls" scenario. I'm certainly not saying that I want to injure an innocent, but if I draw down on a BG who is going bump in the night, my first priority is staying in the fight long enough to get my wife to safety. If I killed an innocent, it would really, really suck to go to prison, but I'd like to think that my still-alive wife would come visit...
I actually don't have kids either, but I am in a condo with shared walls and it is something I have thought about. Luckily these condos have concrete block between them so penetration into an adjoining unit isn't too likely.
I'm certainly not endorsing these cartridges but they may have their place for some. I haven't checked you tube yet but it would certainly be interesting to see how they perform in testing.
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In a home with children or apartment/condo with shared walls is the environment that is just made for the Glaser Safety Slug, no reduced power load with anemic performance. maybe not the deepest penitration but pretty much the angel of death mentioned.
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Don't forget some states do not allow civilians to carry or use hallow point bullets to me this sounds like a very good alternative to me in that situation
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C'mon...Federal's just trying horn in on Hornady's "Critical Defense" and Extreme Shock in the "bad round, slick marketing" category.
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