This is a discussion on Performance of Federal's 40 S&W 165 grain EFMJ load in the Detroit Precinct Shootout within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; It should be further noted that the US was not a signatory of the 1899 Hague Convention, but was a signatory of the 1907 Hague ...
It should be further noted that the US was not a signatory of the 1899 Hague Convention, but was a signatory of the 1907 Hague Convention which forbade "arms, projectiles, or material calculated to cause unnecessary suffering." This only limits the terms of engagement as being between established military forces of warring nations.
Here's a bit more information: :: Ammo Oracle
I actually carry the "LEO" 9mm 124 gr +P EFMJ in my G19 and G26. (I have no use for the "civilian" 105 gr version)
Why? No hollow cavity to get crushed, or filled with clothing fibers. Near 100% weight retention. Feeds well. Low flash. Mild recoil. Fast follow-up shots. And if it fails to expand, you still have a flat-nose bullet.
Only problem? Federal is backordered on the stuff until May...per an email from them. Bummer.
On the gunfight - note how many hits to the hands/arms. Very common. Have a BUG you can access with your weak/support hand.
The number of people killed because they didn't have "enough gun" is dwarfed by those who had none at all. Get a gun you will always carry, and add more capability as you grow.
Would your city council even want to get into micromanaging the department like this? When our local police force decided a few years ago to investigate getting Tasers, a number of folks in the community wanted to block that, and put pressure on the city council. However, the council instead decided to leave the matter to the civilian Police Commission, since they said that kind of oversight was their responsibility, not that of the city council. So the Police Commission ended up holding public hearings, and eventually supporting the department in equipping their officers with Tasers.
^^^^You are out of line on this one^^^^^^^^^^
Commander Davis was there on his day off, dealing with some paperwork, when the shooter burst in and began shooting.
Davis grabbed Sgt. Satti's weapon AFTER the Sargent was shot, as Davis somehow was unarmed at the time
Here are a couple of links for you to review and watch the vid.
This one gives a run down on the shooter;
Detroit Police Shooter Lamar Moore Allegedly Kept 13-Year-Old Sex Slave
Read more: precinct shooting posts - Crimesider - CBS News
precinct shooting posts - Crimesider - CBS News
This is another brief article;
Four Detroit Police Officers Shot at Precinct, Gunman Killed, Says Chief
Four Detroit Police Officers Shot at Precinct, Gunman Killed, Says Chief - Crimesider - CBS News
And this with the video;
Moore's first blast took out Sgt. Ray Saati, standing next to Cmdr. Brian Davis. Both fell behind a desk as Davis, grabbing Saati's gun, stood and fired back
From The Detroit News: Graphic video depicts Detroit precinct shooting | detnews.com | The Detroit News
Thanks Lance for the info.
Those guys were in a shootout for their lives, and I'm glad they prevailed.
They were for the most part scrambling/ducking/running and shooting all at the same time.
I would rather die with good men than hide with cowards
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