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This is a discussion on .40 cal Bullet for Personal Defense within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by TedBeau Is the "Short Barrel" load marketing hype? Maybe, Little of both, they redesigned the holllowpoint to expand better at lower velocity ...
Ammunition to Go has a federal agency overrun lot in stock. It's designated XM40HC, and the sole difference is it is brass plated rather than nickel plated.
To make sure, I e-mailed Federal, and here was their response:
From: Prodserv <Prodserv@ATK.COM>
Date: June 09, 2011 853 AM
The XM40HC was designed for a government agency and is a production
overrun made available for public purchase. The XM40HC is loaded with
our 180gr HST bullet and produces a muzzle velocity of 1015fps and
muzzle energy of 410ft-lbs. It is not loaded hotter and is brass cased
not nickel plated.
It's also cheaper than standard 180gr HST; I paid $29.95 per 50 for the standard P40HST1 180gr, and the XM40HC 180gr costs $21.95 per 50. (For comparison, the cheapest I can find Winchester PDX1 180gr for is $20.95 per 20!)
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Out of my Sig 229 I use Remington
Out of my Sig 229 I use what the border patrol used- Remington Express 155gr.
I just read the thread on personal protection ammunition, 40 cal for me, but no mention of Hornady line. Why is that? I am not a gun expert so know little about thos stuff. But I do have my CCW permit and want to have a very good and reliable bullet for my weapon. What I have read about the Critical Defense and now the Critical Duty ammo sounds pretty amazing.
Thanks for any educated input.
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The foot pound of energy is the usual measure of energy for ballistic performance and in the case of the last example, entering the data indicates that the 180 grain bullet at 990 ft per second produces 391.6 pounds of Muzzle Energy.
Since shot placement with adequate penetration solves human interaction problems virtually any decent 180 grain or 155/165 grain bullet should do the job.
Morale of the story: shoot what cycles reliably, shoot what you can control and practice with that ammo.
Federal 180 HST's work well check youtube for some ballistic comparisons. Plenty of decent ammo available.
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I'm good to go. I have my SR40 loaded with 155 grain Winchester Silvertips!
I also stick with the heavier bullets so I carry the 180 grain gold dots.
I have an opinion on the bullets not holding together also. Someone pointed out that it appears that the heavier bullets hold together better. This is probably exactly because they are impacting the target, (water jug) at a slower speed than the lighter bullets. I theorize that if you managed to launch the heavy bullet at the same speed into a water jug, it also would come apart.
That being said I prefer the heavy bullet more for penetration than mass retention. It's still pretty much accepted that heavier bullets penetrate deeper when they are going the maximum speed allowed by the physics of the gun/barrel pressure within safe loading practices.
I could also make a slight argument for having a bullet fragment. Think shotgun loads. Would you rather have a single hole that passes through the bad guy but misses any vital organs, or a handfull of shrapnel that tears up his lungs and heart? That one piece of jacket could just be the one that takes out an artery.
I am no expert either by any means but I carry Hornandy Critical Duty these days. I purchase them online at ammunition to go. IMHO that is.
Kahr CM9, Beretta PX4 SC .40, Ruger LCP/LM, Dan Wesson .357, Beretta 21A .22, Four Aces .22, H&R .22, Marlin .22 rifle and 1946 Remington 12 gauge.
I"m in the "heavy for caliber club" as well.
Didn't I just see a thread about a 92yo killing an intruder with a .22LR? I'm not sayin'...I'm just sayin'
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I saw that story. I have chosen the Corbon 135 grain .40S&W round at 1325fps as my carry load.
I guess I now have a .40 cal magnum?!