August 13th, 2011 03:06 PM
Interesting caliber / stopping power discussion from the Buckeye Firearms Association.
An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power
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August 13th, 2011 03:51 PM
I wouldn't follow that at all, every situation is different.
August 13th, 2011 04:01 PM
Very interesting article and research. Nonetheless, I don't think I will trust my life to a caliber lower than .38 special or .380 ACP no matter what the author of this research may claim. Hell, I'm even saving to switch all my carry pistols to .45 ACP so that I an have the most stopping power I can. When it comes to my life, I want to have the biggest bullet and the strongest punch. I would never be caught dead carrying a handgun in .22LR, .25 ACP or .32 Auto.
The only data that gave me a "feel good feeling" were the results on the shotgun. WOW! Now I'm even more happy to have my Mossberg ready for home defense if needed.
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August 13th, 2011 04:13 PM
some of the smaller calibers I'm given to think that the shooting distance was close to contact allowing for the on paper very good accuracy.
i carry a 32 H&R and 32 acp and a 351-pd 22mag.
but i hit moving targets with ease.
bringing a student along in training eventually we find their comfort zone--eye along with front sight, snap shot an apple bobbing on a string at 15 feet with a 9mm.
this is a good zone to be in. situations were a gun is to come into play are likely to be fluid rather than static.
placement trumps caliber but if the larger your zone, the larger calibers will serve you better.
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August 13th, 2011 04:16 PM
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August 13th, 2011 04:29 PM
The author put a huge amount of work into that, and it shows - almost 1800 shooting cases examined, plus who knows how many more thrown out by his discrimination criteria.
Draw your own conclusions, people! You could argue that a 22 is enough gun because it required the fewest number of rounds to incapacitate the target, or that the .44 Mag is 'best' because it had the highest rate of one-shot stops. Overall, I think the data pretty much tell us what we already knew, and I'd be surprised if that information prompted anyone already carrying a 'standard' defensive caliber to change to a different one.
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August 13th, 2011 05:14 PM
This has been floating around for a while now, and IMO his categories are a little ambiguous to some degree. I think the most telling statistic is the more straight forward percent of people NOT incapacitated no matter how many shots struck them (this is what we all fear right?). You will notice that the .22, .25, and .32 calibers don't stop the bad guy 30-40% of the time no matter how many shots. Once you get up to the .355 caliber you see that stat drop to around roughly 13-17%. I think that says it all.
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August 13th, 2011 06:30 PM
I have a .25 that I rarely carry, I call it an elevator gun because at any range larger it is almost useless, that said, it will put a hurt on someone and many times just the sight of a weapon a BG will back off. Is it my first choice when I walk out the door? no, but sometimes conditions limit what you can carry and the .25 fits nicely into a pocket and can be carried when nothing else will work, and as evidenced by this guy's research it can stop a person. Regardless of caliber, shot placement is everything.
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August 13th, 2011 07:45 PM
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