Sellier & Bellot Ammo - Hard Primers - Have You Had Problems?

Sellier & Bellot Ammo - Hard Primers - Have You Had Problems?

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    Sellier & Bellot Ammo - Hard Primers - Have You Had Problems?

    Over the weekend, I went to the TDI Handgun 1-3 course, a 3 day course with lots of practical applications to everyday carry and life in general. JD has done an excellent overview on the course, so I will not elaborate further on that.

    In preparation for the course, I purchased 2K rounds of Sellier & Bellot .45 ACP. I took my Taurus PT-145 Mil. Pro for the weekend and planned to shoot it all weekend. Being a practical person, I also took my G21 and SA Loaded 5” 1911 – just in case. After we did some dry fire practice with roped guns, we finally got to the line for live fire.

    I loaded up my Taurus and it would not fire a round, there were light to non-existent marks on the primers of the S&B rounds. I switched to my G21 which fired the rounds without a problem. After day 1 of the class, I stuck a pencil in the barrel and pulled the trigger (yes I was in a safe location and had proven the weapon clear prior to this). The pencil shot 5-6 feet up in the air.

    I purchased 100 rounds of WWB and shot it the next morning in the Taurus and it all shot fine. I also shot some of my Golden Saber carry rounds and they shot fine. I then fired the S&B rounds in the SA Loaded and, while most fired, a few did not.

    This all led me to conclude that the S&B ammo has harder primers than either the WWB or the Golden Sabers. Additionally, because I have not had problems with my reloaded ammo, the S&B primers must be harder than those as well.

    I will not purchase any more S&B ammo based on this experience, but the brass will reload fine. Have any of you all had issues with S&B primers – in any caliber – and what weapon(s) would not reliably fire them? I appreciate any input y’all have.
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    I just, within the last week or two, shot up 400rds of S&B 9mm out of 1000 that I just bought from Cabela's. They were fired out of my 92FS's without a single problem. I have in the past also shot both 9mm and 7.62x39 S&B without problem. I don't recall firing any S&B .45ACP.
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    I have fired thousands of rounds of S&B in 9mm through my SR9c, LC9 and both of my 9mm SP101s without any primer issues.
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    You may want to drop a few into a case gauge, or measure with a caliper. Short overall (case) length will mimic hard primers. Just a thought.

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    I use them fairly regularly and never have a problem. Could it be the thick lacquer they seal the primer with is adding a bit to the problem?
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    I have shot hundreds of S&B 9mm with no problems out of my Walther P99.

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    Never had a problem with Sellior & Belloit and have used it consistently in about 4 different calibers, although not .45 cal.
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    We sell it at the range and haven't seen any noticeable problems with it. I have a few cases stockpiled because it was generally a good reliable performer, was cheap, and was sealed well.
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    I've fired S&B .45 for many years, never had any problem. Great ammo. I believe S&B is now owned by Magtech .

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    I have over 1200 rounds of this stuff out of my Walther PPS and never a problem. I love this stuff. it is cheap (got some for $9.50 a box) feeds flawlessly, and is quite accurate.
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    I view light primer strikes as a weapons issue, not an ammo issue. Having said that, I've never had a problem with S&B in my CZ-82.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I view light primer strikes as a weapons issue, not an ammo issue. Having said that, I've never had a problem with S&B in my CZ-82.
    I woud normally agree with you, but having two different weapons have problems with the S&B ammo that have not had problems with other ammo and both have over 2K rounds through them it sounds like an ammo issue. It is interesting that your CZ and my Glock are both European in origin. I wonder if the Euro guns are engineered for tougher primers.
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    I was doing my morning read in the library today and I had a "concealed carry" gun magazine with a review in it that mentioned that S&B ammo wouldn't function in the test gun. Light primer hits on that ammo. The author discontinued testing with the S&B, but other ammo worked in the gun (and now I forget what gun it was).

    I have a bunch of 9mm stockpiled and never had issues, the 115gr even shoots good in my Uzi. We use it on the range, too. I hope there's just a bad lot or two out there, but I doubt if I'll stockpile that brand anymore.
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    I have shot maybe 400-500 rounds through my Glocks and HK's, never an issue. A very accurate FMJ practice round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superhouse 15 View Post
    I was doing my morning read in the library today and I had a "concealed carry" gun magazine with a review in it that mentioned that S&B ammo wouldn't function in the test gun. Light primer hits on that ammo. The author discontinued testing with the S&B, but other ammo worked in the gun (and now I forget what gun it was).

    I have a bunch of 9mm stockpiled and never had issues, the 115gr even shoots good in my Uzi. We use it on the range, too. I hope there's just a bad lot or two out there, but I doubt if I'll stockpile that brand anymore.
    Perhaps S&B did turn out a batch with harder primers that had issues, and no doubt it became internet legend that all S&B ammo has hard primers. Again, it may be more of an issue of some gun makes having lighter firing pins/strikers or springs that just doesn't work well with harder primers. Who knows...
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