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Settling the 9mm "124 gr. vs 147 gr." Debate

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    I wasn't aware this was even a full fledged debate. I got lost in the 38 is better than 380, 9mm is better than both, and the you're a little girlie man if you don't CC a full sized 1911 chambered in .45 debates to notice.

    There are more arguments in the firearm communities than I've ever seen anywhere else. I think the Baptists vs Lutherans find more common ground than we do. lol

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    testing should be done like in the program "Deadliest Warrior".
    Instead of lame blocks of gel, they should use the whole torso, complete with sim bones and organs. I think that would be a better measure of performance.
    Just sayin..... Ya know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrwonderful View Post
    I like Pie too. I also chuckle at people who ridicule Marshall & Sanow results from actual shootings. How do we know how any round performs? By it's performance in real life. There are those that say prove those are real numbers. I say, prove you took a dump this week. I bet you did, and more than once. And people quote Dr. Roberts all the time like he's and infallable ammo god. He discounts velocity because he can't measure it's effects. Expansion and penetration is all that matters. Well real life proves a big advantage when velocity approaches and exceeds 1350fps combined with good penetration and expansion. What did Dr. Roberts go to school for? What are his degrees and speciality? Thats right, say it, say it. He's a dentist. Thank you.
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    Winners are 124+P and 147+P your choice! Anyone familiar with Underwood Ammo?

    9mm Luger +P 124 Grain Bonded Jacket Hollow Point Box of 50
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Hawk View Post
    No 9mm bullet has enough mass to penetrate the denser bones of the human body. 9mm is good at penetrating soft objects like cartilage due to it's smaller size and higher velocities, and it's possible to make a 9mm soft AP bullet if you make the bullet small enough. (Arcane makes/made a 45 gr. 9mm bullet that moved at 2400 fps and was capable of defeating most any soft armor). The 9mm was never designed to penetrate hard targets.
    This , this right here if proof you have no clue what you are talking about, let alone bringing up roberts and his regurgitation of what EVERYONE else has been saying for years. NO service round was "DESIGNED" to pierce so called hard targets, but the 9mm will out penetrate all but the 357 sig rd. I've seen the 9mm used against auto sheetmetal as well as 45 in the same incident, the 9mm pentrated the door and the felon while the 45 dimpled the door and fell to the ground. I've also seen 147 9's fail to pentrate a car door as well as side glass, you can keep your 147 garbage and that's what this load is despite all of the fanboy hype. Sorry but this thread is FAIL.

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    While I know this is an old thread, I have enjoyed reading it.

    The small world part is, I have worked with guys who have seen allot of action working for private contractors.

    While both of them choose, the 9mm round, for their sidearm, they disagree on which round.

    One likes the 147 the other likes smaller faster 115 and 124 gr. What they agree on is; there is NO MAGIC BULLET

    And if your authorized to shoot someone one time, your authorized to double or trip tap them. As such both of them fire in groups of 2-3 when at the range, and for this reason both of them do not use +P rounds.
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    personally, I am less concerned with weight and more concerned with which works more reliably in my pistol. If its 115.. fine and if its 124, I'll use that and if its 147 I will use that. If all 3 function to the same degree of reliablility, I will use 147 simply because its a heavier chunk of lead. Fast moving projectiles put holes in less substantial objects and that is all I really expect.
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    I went back and reread this oldie. I don't shoot a 9mm but my wife does. She doesn't get into all the ammo related stuff, se just shoots. She has me get the ammo. So I'm always researching. I'm always more concerned about what se carries than I am about what I carry. Until this thread I never even considered the 147 grain for her gun.

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    Well, I'll stay with 124 gr. XTP's. I won't shoot plus p's in a semi-auto. I think it beats the gun up too much. 147 gr. is a whopping load for 9 MM. I think 124 gr. is a good compromise. Oh, this stuff will never be settled...
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    You know any time someone says an argument is settled, that is an excellent point in favor of the opposite, on account of when something is actually settled, people don't need to say it.
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    I didn't see any Winchester 147 grain self defense ammo in test.I'll stick to slower ,heavier bigger wound channel.
    I hope and pray I'll never have to use it.

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    The argument was settled for me awhile ago by the 115 grain CorBon +P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gottabkiddin View Post
    My contention is simple..... I don't what to use the + p wear and tear on my guns to get pretty much the same end result...JMO, YMMV



    I doubt you will ever fire enough +P to wear you gun out . Be all full expensive . Assuming its not a Hi point Or a Ket Tec P-11 or PF-9 But if either brand They will replace you pistol. Have a lifetime warranty.
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