This is a discussion on I'm a believer in 45 ACP FMJ for defense within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by glockman10mm Thats was related to me during my hitch in the Corps by a few of the older senior " horse Marines". ...
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.
Im a big fan of the .22LR for bear defense.
Just shoot the guy next to you in the knee and run like heck.
I've long questioned the validity of the M1 Carbine's poor penetration in Korea. It always seemed to offer penetration all out of proportion to it's size in my experience.
“No possible rapidity of fire can atone for habitual carelessness of aim with the first shot.”
Theodore Roosevelt, The Wilderness Hunter, 1893
C. Living in the cold country half the time people are wearing very thick winter coats. FMJ rounds penetrate this type of clothing more reliably.
seriously?... show me a winter jacket that will stop a HP bullet?
I will stick with speer 200gr or 230gr JHP flying ashtrays, thank you very much.
I agree. The 45 I could see a possibility of it getting slowed enough in fabric that was dense and thick, but not the carbine. Although I had not heard that one.
Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.
My uncle who fought in Korea with the 24th Infantry Division,had great praise for the M1 and M2 carbines.He wore a C.I.B.,Purple Heart,and 5 Battle Stars. I have seen his personal photos of dead Chinese and North Koreans dressed in heavy winter uniforms.
U.S. Army Veteran
A round that travels as slow as 230 grain is less likely to expand when traveling through thick/tough fabrics like denim, leather, winter coats, etc. Another reason why I would agree with you here is shooting through vehicles: if someone is shooting at you and taking cover behind a car door...one of my spare mags has fmj rounds in it for that reason.
P.S. The only medium which will regularly prevent a premium 9mm JHP from expanding over 0.5" is sheet metal.
Last edited by AZ Hawk; October 27th, 2011 at 07:51 PM.
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I'm starting to really enjoy the "Box O' Truth"
Off topic - "Breakout" is a great read, and showed how ill-prepared we were for war in the Korean winter. Great story, too, of how hundreds of thousands of ChiCom troops entered Korea under our noses.
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