I'm a believer in 45 ACP FMJ for defense

This is a discussion on I'm a believer in 45 ACP FMJ for defense within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Skygod The less "Rambo" ready you seem the better chances if faced with a jury. YMMV. And that was my reason E ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skygod View Post
    The less "Rambo" ready you seem the better chances if faced with a jury.

    YMMV.
    And that was my reason E for carrying FMJ
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverickx50 View Post
    And that was my reason E for carrying FMJ
    Except that, as noted, every (or nearly every) law enforcement agency in the country issues or requires the use of some sort of expanding ammunition, and that the recommendation from many litigators/expert witnesses/etc is to use a round similar to (if not exactly the same) as the police in your area. You are therefore able to say, "I'm not trying to be Rambo, I just assumed that the police would use the best, safest bullet around."
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    Wow this thread is full of myths.

    FMJ penetrates clothing better so don't carry JHP in the winter.....

    Hollow Points will get you in trouble with a jury......


    What is next? The .45 ACP removes limbs with a single shot?

    .45 ACP will stop a man and throw him backwards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Wow this thread is full of myths.

    FMJ penetrates clothing better so don't carry JHP in the winter.....

    Hollow Points will get you in trouble with a jury......


    What is next? The .45 ACP removes limbs with a single shot?

    .45 ACP will stop a man and throw him backwards?
    Really? Didn't know that!! LOL
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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    The .45 ACP will not only remove limbs with a single shot or throw a man backwards, it kills tanks too!


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    Quote Originally Posted by chasbo00 View Post
    The .45 ACP will not only remove limbs with a single shot or throw a man backwards, it kills tanks too!

    I'm sure the aircraft didn't help a bit...BTW great movie
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post

    What is next? The .45 ACP removes limbs with a single shot?
    It does ... if the tree limb is small enough. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Wow this thread is full of myths.
    What is next?
    A .45 ACP will over-penetrate?

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    I'll stick with the 230 gr JHP for self defense. I quit listening to all the internet drivel a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnum View Post
    A .45 ACP will over-penetrate?
    I did find a documented case of .45 ACP overpenetration with injury during the last iteration of this topic. I'll have to search for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Wow this thread is full of myths.

    FMJ penetrates clothing better so don't carry JHP in the winter.....

    Hollow Points will get you in trouble with a jury......


    What is next? The .45 ACP removes limbs with a single shot?

    .45 ACP will stop a man and throw him backwards?
    You didn't see that coming, LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Wow this thread is full of myths.

    FMJ penetrates clothing better so don't carry JHP in the winter.....

    Hollow Points will get you in trouble with a jury......


    What is next? The .45 ACP removes limbs with a single shot?

    .45 ACP will stop a man and throw him backwards?
    I know right...

    What's funny is that a 230 gr. .45 ACP FMJ bullet can't even penetrate a single layer of Level II Kevlar.

    Just sayin.'
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    It is also well documented that the .45 "ball" rd will shoot thru two men's torsos, so to say it does not overpenetrate is to commit a huge error.

    Can you please point me in the direction of this well documented fact?

    Still waiting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    It is also well documented that the .45 "ball" rd will shoot thru two men's torsos, so to say it does not overpenetrate is to commit a huge error.

    Can you please point me in the direction of this well documented fact?

    Still waiting?
    While I'm not for or against his argument of whether or not a .45 FMJ can pass through two mens torsos (why that would matter is strange). It is shown in gel tests that .45 FMJ will penetrate over 2 feet of gel which would equal if not be MORE than "two mens torso's". Of course, gel tests lack bone. And it's just gel, it's not real life. Just thought I'd throw that out there :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Hawk View Post
    I know right...

    What's funny is that a 230 gr. .45 ACP FMJ bullet can't even penetrate a single layer of Level II Kevlar.

    Just sayin.'
    Thats why they don't even bother using the .45 ACP for testing body armor any more. There are vests that will reliably stop the .45 ACP that get shredded by other rounds. With increased use of ballistic nylons, kevlar, and other ballistic rated fabrics in high end outer wear and athletic wear I am considering switching my P220 from being my cold weather pistol to being more for summer carry and staying with my 127 grain Ranger T 9mm pretty much year round.
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