I'm not trying to start an ammo war or keep 1 from happening but I find winchester white box to be decent ammo . Is it the best ammo out there ? Probably not . but after all it is loaded industry standards and I find it to work and on my pistols . The brass is good brass . Ican assure you of this it's better than ammo you will find at surplus shops when things get bad as they have done in the past . I'm not going to categorize it as premium amo by any means but it is definitely not junk as some people claim .