This is a discussion on Exotic ammo vs the jury within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; What do you think of ammo like RBCD or Extreme Shock? What will the jury think? I was watching demos of RBCD ammo and they're ...
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What do you think of ammo like RBCD or Extreme Shock?
What will the jury think?
I was watching demos of RBCD ammo and they're pretty devastating but are we supposed to stop the BG and not kill 'em?
I read so many articles on self defense that I'm conflicted, kill or not kill. Duh.
The safe answer is to carry what your local PD carries. If it's good enough for them.... And who knows what a jury will think.
No, I don't care for the exotic name branding. Gold Dots or Golden Sabres is a pretty unassuming name. I use Gold Dots and PDX1s (That ought to leave the jurists scratching their heads).
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I agree with OldVet. Can't go wrong with the Gold Dots, and that doesn't sound like an ominous name to me at all. They definitely have a strong record though.
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There's a sucker born every minute ...Originally Posted by WillyNilly
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein
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I run with winchester personal defense rounds.... so see how the jury would get that twisted, i think its pretty self explanatory.
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Why is that? This demo seems pretty conclusive.
RBCD Demo Shoot - YouTube
You are supposed to stop the threat, no more, no less. If the BG dies, it is a side-effect of you stopping the threat in a quick and effective manner, like a CNS shot. But you aren't trying to kill, you are trying to stop that imminent threat as quickly as possible.
RBCD and Extreme shock have shown me no proof that they are worth the prices they charge for that stuff. IF it was so amazing, don't you think more police departments and federal agencies and top tier trainers/shooters would be using them? But they are a gimmick, that really do nothing better(and often things worse) than normal JHP from any number of reputable manufacturers.
EDIT: And back to the original question on juries. There are a lot of big name experts that you could call in to be a witness, who would support using JHP, which is meant to prevent over-penetration, for a self defense ammo. How many experts do you think would be lining up for Extreme Shock?
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The three things that I look for in ammo are reliability, availability, and price. If you get involved in a self defense shooting and the court's decision on your guilt or innocence rests on the brand name of your ammo, you had a really weak case to begin with.
"The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come." ~ Confucius
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hmmm better get out the popcorn for this oneBeen caught up in this one before.
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lol.. RBCD is SH**!....
LeMas/RBCD Ammunition Analysis - M4Carbine.net Forums
I'm utterly unconcerned with this issue which is one of those "Chicken Little - The sky is falling" kinds of issues that sets so many fretful folks to worrying, dithering, and agonizing.
I'll carry whatever strikes my fancy including handloaded ammunition.
Buckeye.45 said it best and that's what I'm going to do.
"You are supposed to stop the threat, no more, no less"
“No possible rapidity of fire can atone for habitual carelessness of aim with the first shot.”
Theodore Roosevelt, The Wilderness Hunter, 1893
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We are supposed to shoot to stop the threat. If the threat happens to die while being stopped then o well
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