Hornady's "Critical Duty"? Not for us?

Hornady's "Critical Duty"? Not for us?

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    Hornady's "Critical Duty"? Not for us?

    Gun rags drive me nuts sometimes. I think they forget what they wrote in their last issues.

    Latest Guns & Ammo "Handguns" has a nice article on Critical Duty ammo and how well it performs thru various mediums, etc., and then finishes up by saying it's intended for LEO use and not for the civilian market due to its penetrating abilities and the inherrent liabilites involved, blah-blah. They say, "Even in the most armed-citizen-friendly states, a civilian who shoots at a criminal hidden behind a wall or inside a vehicle will likely be considered by law to be engaged in a gunfight, not engaged in self defense." Well, duh! I think any time guns are pulled and fired it's a gunfight--regardless of the reason.

    Well crap. Aren't we always told to "carry what the local PDs carry"? Why are you advertizing "LEO only" ammo in a civilian gun rag instead of a trade magazine? (Full page ad no less.)

    Are we not supposed to defend ourselves from someone hidden behind a wall (in your own home?) or inside a vehicle (ever heard of a drive-by?). The article is so full of contradictions from previous articles that it makes me question anything in print from "knowledgable" sources.

    And then I notice that these same gun rags that condemn all for calling an AR-15 an "assault weapon" run tactical equipment ads with all the characters in the photos dressed in full SWAT wear and masks puilled up over their faces [just like the BGs do (?)]. And they wonder what perpetuates the misnomer of "assault" weapons?

    Well, that's their opinion, I suppose. And opinions are like...

    The results of the article's testing were pretty impressive, by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Latest Guns & Ammo "Handguns" has a nice article on Critical Duty ammo and how well it performs thru various mediums, etc., and then finishes up by saying it's intended for LEO use and not for the civilian market due to its penetrating abilities and the inherrent liabilites involved, blah-blah. They say, "Even in the most armed-citizen-friendly states, a civilian who shoots at a criminal hidden behind a wall or inside a vehicle will likely be considered by law to be engaged in a gunfight, not engaged in self defense." Well, duh! I think any time guns are pulled and fired it's a gunfight--regardless of the reason.

    Well crap. Aren't we always told to "carry what the local PDs carry"? Why are you advertizing "LEO only" ammo in a civilian gun rag instead of a trade magazine? (Full page ad no less.)

    Are we not supposed to defend ourselves from someone hidden behind a wall (in your own home?) or inside a vehicle (ever heard of a drive-by?). The article is so full of contradictions from previous articles that it makes me question anything in print from "knowledgable" sources.

    And then I notice that these same gun rags that condemn all for calling an AR-15 an "assault weapon" run tactical equipment ads with all the characters in the photos dressed in full SWAT wear and masks puilled up over their faces [just like the BGs do (?)]. And they wonder what perpetuates the misnomer of "assault" weapons?

    Well, that's their opinion, I suppose. And opinions are like...
    Sounds like an aggressive form of marketing....It seems like they do this just so individuals will buy it.......These days the words, Black, Tactical, Operator, Duty, Penatration, Expansion, are words that make a product sell.
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    I haven't purchased a gun rag in two years, for some of the same reasons. I believe alot of misinformation that we see spewed around here comes from people reading the stupid things and believing it to be gospel.
    Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.

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    They are in the business of selling magazines, nothing more. Anything that will catch your eye long enough to make you want to plunk down a fiver and take the magazine home is a win in their book. On a side note, has anyone noticed how ridiculously expensive gun-related magazines are getting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retiredonce View Post
    They are in the business of selling magazines, nothing more. Anything that will catch your eye long enough to make you want to plunk down a fiver and take the magazine home is a win in their book. On a side note, has anyone noticed how ridiculously expensive gun-related magazines are getting?
    Probably has something to do with internet and every body going online, therefore, they are probably loosing subscribers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Gun rags drive me nuts sometimes. I think they forget what they wrote in their last issues.

    Latest Guns & Ammo "Handguns" has a nice article on Critical Duty ammo and how well it performs thru various mediums, etc., and then finishes up by saying it's intended for LEO use and not for the civilian market due to its penetrating abilities and the inherent liabilities involved, blah-blah. They say, "Even in the most armed-citizen-friendly states, a civilian who shoots at a criminal hidden behind a wall or inside a vehicle will likely be considered by law to be engaged in a gunfight, not engaged in self defense." Well, duh! I think any time guns are pulled and fired it's a gunfight--regardless of the reason.
    This is me, all concerned about a gun magazine's blanket statements regarding my justification for shots fired in a situation they know nothing about...



    This me my, giving them my rebuttal regarding justification and liability:

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    Almost all "specialty" magazines get the lions share of their income from advertisers and not from selling magazines. But the more magazines they sell through hype and eye-catching articles, the larger reader base quickly elevates the price of advertising space.

    The best and largest advertising space in any magazine can't hold a candle to the increased sales any business can get from a plug or favorable recommendation by one of the magazine's "resident experts"; therefore, I would imagine that said "favorable expert comment" in many of those magazines is often highly influenced by some serious extra financial contribution by one or more of its advertising sponsers.

    Since most of those rags and resident experts have an "opinion for sale" sign on the back door, I take very little of it seriously until I start seeing the same positive feedback from consumers and other non-biased sources who aren't dependent on advertising sponsorship.
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    But, but, but .....

    It's in print! It HAS to be true!

    Doesn't it?!

    Ahh, man! Now I have to completely rethink my self-defense philosophy.

    What a bummer!
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    If I want to know about something gun related, I go to www.defensivecarry.com, not the magazine rack...
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    Gun mags have their place. I for one like to read a LOT and it is better than reading Cosmo.
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    A couple of points I would like to make. 1) An flashy advertisement is the begining of my purchase decesion process, not the end. 2) Law enforcement DOES have different requirements and rules of engagement. 3) No bullet is perfect for every situation. 4) Shot placement superceeds everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    Probably has something to do with internet and every body going online, therefore, they are probably loosing subscribers.
    Maybe but thats not happening with other magazines/ like I also get travel boating and motorcycle mags and they are all in the "normal" price range but WOW 10 bucks for a magazine.....ouch!
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    Hornady's Critical Duty is geared to guns with a barrel longer than 3.5" i believe. The Critical Defense works best in the short barrel. I got this from reading the manufactures website.
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