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    What is the difference in white box and the Federal LE box ammo ?? Brass vs nickel plating is all ?? Is it the same ammo and JHP ??

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    I'm pretty sure the bullets are not the same,in the White box you are very likely just getting a regular hollowpoint that usually upon striking a target will have a tendency after the bullet mushrooms it can fragment into several pieces.The HST bullet tends to stay together and mushrooms inta a jagged edged little flower of whoopass
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    Federal ammo in a white box is likely the Federal Personal Defense round that is absolutely different from the HST LE ammo.

    I carry HST, tested it and have also tested the Personal Defense and the characteristics are not even similar.
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    There is a batch of Federal HST .40 "white box" that is in fact a government overrun, same HST round, though slightly hotter than the LE boxed HST ammo.

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    Before I purchased some of the HST White box I called Federal and spoke with the LE Rep. He told me this ammo was an overproduction for a Govt/ Police contract. The differences being, the generic white box, a brass case instead on nickel, and possibly a slight difference in the powder mix used, which is based on the ordering agencies specifications. The cartridge has the same HST bullet head and is virtually ballistically to within a few ft/ sec and Fl lbs energy to HST, the minor variation is due to the powder charge used. These are LE HST rounds and can be carried with confidence.

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    Do you have a part number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally XD View Post
    Federal ammo in a white box is likely the Federal Personal Defense round that is absolutely different from the HST LE ammo.

    I carry HST, tested it and have also tested the Personal Defense and the characteristics are not even similar.
    Depends on what's marked on the box.

    I've got some 147gr 9mm HST that came in the white box...and it is the HST bullet, not the Hi-Shock (or HydraShok).

    Usually the white box stuff are overruns from contracts, or occasionally cancelled contracts. They don't bother with fancy packaging for contract runs.
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    THANKS for info...I found at CTD Federal HST 180 Gr. 50rds $19.89 White box # XM40HC.....At Streichers Federal HST 180 Gr. 50rds. $27.00 regular black red gold box # FC-40HST.

    I have read other places where that yes the white box is oversupply for somebody and yet even though in plain packaging is the same round. I think I am going to buy up quite a few boxes and check them out

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    THX 905 ..like I posted going to buy some up to test. it is awesome that you went straight to the horses mouth so to speak in contacting Federal. Glad you cleared this up so others will know....I am just worried at the price...CTD at $20 for 50rds seems pretty cheap

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    Who currently has this ammo for sale?

    Man, that is a bargain! I don't care whether it is nickle or brass casings!
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    cheaper than dirt & striechers

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    Jim the part number for the HST white box is XM40HC, same as posted by Satchmo. This is comparable to the P40HST1.

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    A Federal ammo rep,trying to get our dept. to switch told us the HST is a bonded bullet,so it would'nt detereate thru walls,car doors,windows. But,so is the Gold Dot,and Ranger T and Ranger Bonded.
    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    I'm pretty sure the bullets are not the same,in the White box you are very likely just getting a regular hollowpoint that usually upon striking a target will have a tendency after the bullet mushrooms it can fragment into several pieces.The HST bullet tends to stay together and mushrooms inta a jagged edged little flower of whoopass

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockrocker View Post
    A Federal ammo rep,trying to get our dept. to switch told us the HST is a bonded bullet,so it would'nt detereate thru walls,car doors,windows. But,so is the Gold Dot,and Ranger T and Ranger Bonded.
    The HST is not bonded... But is does have great barrier penetration characteristics. Federal Tactical Bonded is a bonded projectile, but not the same as HST.

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