i don't use any of those,i use Magtech FMJ's in my lcp
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Speer Gold Dot 90 gr
Hornady XTP 90 gr
Remington Golden Saber 102 gr
CorBon DPX 80 gr
Buffalo Bore Barnes TAC-XP 80 gr
Winchester PDX-1 95 gr
What do you guys think? And why?
Note: I did not include Ranger-T series in .380 ACP. Winchester states the round won't penetrate more than 7", which is not acceptable to me!
i don't use any of those,i use Magtech FMJ's in my lcp
Take a look at the gel tests done at Goldenloki. They were done with a P3at, so you get a better idea of what the .380 will do from these shorter barrels.
I generally go with the FBI standard - 12 inches minimum, with 15 preferred. Some JHPs in .380 will just barely make 12, none that I've seen will make 15 (assuming they expand at all).
Given that penetration is vastly more important than expansion - I just use FMJ in my LCPs. FMJ will do 16-17 inches. Works for me.
I used to carry Speer Gold Dot 90 gr in my LCP. Recently I switched to Winchester PDX1 95 gr.
No problems with the Gold Dots. I just standardized all my carry ammo from 45, 9mm and 380 to Winchester PDX1
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Ammo priorities in a nutshell:
1. Reliable cycling - if it won't work in your gun, nothing else matters
2. Shot placement - an expanded bullet will not magically turn a poorly placed shot into a stopping shot (unless the target just quits due to fear and/or pain, which is in fact how most stops with handguns are made, because they are all poor stoppers)
3. Penetration - most shots will not be straight into the chest, and most will need to go through hands/arms before even getting to the torso - an attacker with a weapon will have his arms outstretched towards you
4. Expansion - if you get any at all, consider it a bonus...more to limit any risk of over-penetration, than because JHPs have some magical ability to stop an aggressor compared to FMJ. In .380, I would not worry about over-penetration, even with FMJ. The skin on the far side of a human is elastic, and worth a few inches of ballistic gel.
Hope this is helpful.
None of the above, only FMJ ball reliably penetrate deep enough to reach the vitals
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I did not vote, the ONLY .380 round I carry is Buffalo Bore 100 gr. +P hardcast.
I carry some of the Spanish Santa Barbara surplus ammo available a few years back, featuring a flat nosed (actually slightly concave) FMJ 95 grain bullet that gens up 1032 fps from the Kel Tec P3AT over my chronograph's screens. It isn't labeled as "+P" but behaves as "+P". I will only carry some sort of FMJ in a .380. I don't prefer a .380 if I can hide anything larger.
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I use the Gold Dots because that's what most of the local LE agencies use. Instructor recommended it.
No vote for me...None of the above...i carry the S & B FMJ in my LCP...it works very well for me...
Hornady has always been a good round, I shoot bvac ammo thru all my guns, but I do have hornady for SD/HD.
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Speer Gold Dot in my Diamondback .380 in the warm months.
Speer Lawman FMJ in the cooler weather when jackets and heavy clothing are worn.
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In my humble opinion, you left out the best choices of Buffalo Bore. Their "Barnes" ammo line is non-lead for the "green people" but not nearly as effective as a lead round. I also use Speer Gold Dot in most everything else because it generally has a higher velocity with the same caliber, weight and type of bullet than anything else; however, they don't offer a .380+p for guns strong enough to shoot them safely.
Speer Gold Dot .380: 90gr / GDHP / 1040 fps / 216 ft/lbs muzzle energy
Buffalo Bore .380+p: 90gr / JHP / 1200 fps / 288 ft/lbs muzzle energy
Buffalo Bore .380+p 100gr / HC (flat nose ball) / 1150 fps / 294 ft/lbs muzzle energy
Expansion of the Buffalo Bore JHP is excellent and consistent at the high velocity, and penetration depth of the Hard Cast/flat nose ball is equally excellent at the higher velocity. Since you need all the help you can get with a .380, I haven't found anything yet that tops Buffalo Bore.
I'm only an old combat veteran and by no means an "expert"; so I suppose that's why I continue deviating from most "expert opinion" by keeping my Mustang .380 chambered with a BB/JHP, then the magazine alternating between the BB HC/JHP/HC/JHP etc.... Don't care which one is coming up next, but I can keep pumping alternating expansion and penetration rounds into my target as long as either (1) the threat remains, (2) I'm able to get some running room, or (3) unil I'm out of bullets and have to run.
JHPs in .380, when they expand, usually fail to penetrate 12" in soft tissue.
Given the "super-sizing" of the US population, unless I get a perfect or nearly perfect frontal presentation devoid of any obstructions, twelve inches may not be enough to achieve incapacitation.
If I have to carry a .380, it is loaded with FMJs ("round nose" or "flat point", the difference is negligible). I want the ability to "reach through" barriers (like cover) and an assailant's anatomy (upraised arms) to destroy critical anatomy. Nothing else matters.
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