9mm vs vehicles has always been a little on the disappointing side, some loads do better than others, I missed what load he was using...
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6 of 1, half a dozen of the other. Shoot or drive, but not both.
Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.
Ridiculous... If you really give this story some thought and if you put yourself in that situation, what would you actually do? One, avoid conflict especially while driving. Where is the responsibility in knowing the area and actual target if you miss an assailant in a gunfight while driving regardless of the caliber used??? If you think about it, your reflects would be to stop, slow down, get the license plate and call 911.
"A free man is he who does not fear to go to the end of his thought."
I try to find time this weekend I had a car door around here some where been wanting to get rid of it anyway.
I would not advise standing on the othe side of the window.
This forum needs caliber debate filtering. Handgun cartridges are all insufficient, but we can't carry long rifles in our pants.
I carried a .45 for 2 years. Recently switched to 9mm. Well not really switched, but added 9mm as a carry option. I'm not going to sell it. I have plenty of faith in 9mm.
For the guy to say he hit his target, I think it's probably unlikely.
Had I been driving the object in my avatar, I'd have just sped away.
So I guess I should forget about my plans about using a 30.06 on the next tank that runs me off the road eh???
Why was the guys passenger door window shot out if HE was cut off, don't you think the attack would have been on the drivers side, and trhe drivers window would have been the one that was shot out???
At this point, I'm a mite skeptical.
I would rather die with good men than hide with cowards
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There are two places the 9mm is not good enough.
2. The Internet
Everywhere else it seems to work just fine. I'm a 1911 and .45acp fan. I make no bones about that. However. I have carried and still carry a Glock 19 about half the time. My home defense gun is my Glock 19. I have no illusions about .45acp being a "manstopper" or some other sort of super bullet. It's a handgun. Simple as that.
The 9mm Parabellum is a fine round with a lot going for it. If not it would have been replaced decades ago. I would think the .45acp vs 9mm argument has been ongoing for the better part of a century.
The 9mm is as good or bad as any other service caliber handgun round.
Practice, skill, shot placement and touch of good luck will rule the day if the flag ever goes up for any of us. Not a couple of millimeters of difference in width of a handgun round.
It's what you hit, not what you shoot. I have seen people DRT from a .22LR and .25acp. I have seen people who are alive and well after a few rounds of .357 Magnum. I personally knew a man in Boston who had survived two rounds to his chest from a .44 Magnum for sleeping with the wrong guys wife.
No handgun is a death ray.
Train, and hope you never actually need to use it.
I think they have a law against firing a weapon for a vehicle in Wisconsin, Unless your disabled. Not sure what that has to do with it.
I do know a story about a SGT that had no option but to fire a 92F 9MM into a car windshield that was bearing down on him. He emptied it into the driver and killed him dead made a mess of the windshield, then the car blew up. The 9mm had nothing to do with the car blowing up.
This post was not ment to be a caliber debate. I carry a 9mm and have no problem with it.
I posted the thread to get everyone's opinion on it.
The title of the thread (9mm not good enough???) Was me being sarcastic. So everybody keep the replies coming.
"The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary.
Men alone are quite capable of every wickedness."
With a 10mm he would have gotten both the driver and passenger with 1 shot.
I like my 9mm. It all depends on the type of ammo.
Here is a posting from the OP in the forum in which this story is posted, regarding the ammo his friend was using:
This is the ammo and his reply:
Speer Gold Dot Personal Protection 147gr bonded jacketed hollow point...they let me down! Thank you,
Speer Ammo - Personal Protection
And his sig line:
One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them. - Thomas Jefferson
Last edited by RamRoddoc; 01-07-2012 at 06:26 PM.
His 'friend', MarketableRanger, is apparently responding to the critics in that forum & keeps giving what appears to be a mantra -
My car. My shooting...
My holes. My car.
I'm here today because I did the right thing under EXTREME duress.
Tried by 12 vs. carried by 6.
It's already on Facebook. My car. My holes. I put these images and the whole story on FB.
The fun begins on Page 5
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